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Re: Google Flow Music

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post #89

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I'm sure you're right that AI augmented workflows can (& do?) produce beautiful works that I would call art... it's just that the overwhelming majority of AI 'art' I experience on the internet is slop.

I feel like I make this comment a lot, but: how do you know ? You recognize obvious slop as slop. But this is a survivor bias-like phenomenon. You have no idea what goes unnoticed. If you're talking about stuff posted to communities that are self-selecting for AI art submissions, that's another kind of fallacy.

Because good things are few and far between and it's pretty easy to discern provenance out of band in almost all of those cases.

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post #118

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Music, like all art, is a human expression. AI has no desires, it feels nothing, it believes in nothing, thus it has nothing to express. It may imitate music, but it's not music.

Would you consider a beautiful sunset as art? is the value of music found in the source or the listener? I argue it is only the listener. The source is irrelevant. That is surely the case for me, and I dont think I'm unhinged or insane. I have a strong feeling I am not a minority in this regard. Pythagoras argued that music is essentially number and proportion. If beauty is found in the geometry of sound, then the "b…

Upon hearing mashed up pop music with almost coherent lyrics, "Shall I compare thee to a sunset?" What is going on here?

Have you not heard music before? Is Suno your first experience with music-shaped sounds? Because, buddy, this is wild. You're not getting Rumours out of an AI. You're not getting Time (The Revelator) out of AI. London Calling does not spring from the geometry of sound.

Re: Google Flow Music

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post #118

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Would you consider a beautiful sunset as art? is the value of music found in the source or the listener? I argue it is only the listener. The source is irrelevant. That is surely the case for me, and I dont think I'm unhinged or insane. I have a strong feeling I am not a minority in this regard. Pythagoras argued that music is essentially number and proportion. If beauty is found in the geometry of sound, then the "b…

Upon hearing mashed up pop music with almost coherent lyrics, "Shall I compare thee to a sunset?" What is going on here? Have you not heard music before? Is Suno your first experience with music-shaped sounds? Because, buddy, this is wild. You're not getting Rumours out of an AI. You're not getting Time (The Revelator) out of AI. London Calling does not spring from the geometry of sound.

Maybe I'm just not as emotional as you. Could definitely be the case. Even before AI music I never cared much about lyrics. Nor artist names beyond finding similar music to a song I like. I listen to music for the sound, which does elicit emotion and feelings that are more enjoyable or less depending on my mood, but I don't care about the story being told.

I still don't think you're saying anything that refutes the geometry of sound argument, however. If you heard an AI song you liked, and didnt know it was AI, and found out after the fact, would you be rational enough to accept you could be wrong? Or would it turn you off to the song irrationally?

Re: Google Flow Music

#126
post #53

I've tried and couldn't make it sound like Angine de Poitrine, it completely ignores the microtones. Sounds more like Polyphia. It does look like AdP is the answer to AI.... or we haven't trained the models with sufficient microtones, likely due to western music influence.

Three albums not enough to train AI on? - Vol I (AdP) - Vol II (AdP) - Flying Microtonal Banana (KGatLW) I just wanted to write this comment because it will be almost impenetrable to anyone who doesn't already know.

Bunch of Balkan and Turkish music has quarter tones too. (And you’re forgetting KG and LW…)

Re: Google Flow Music

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post #108

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Would you be willing to share some artists? I'm curious

not OP but i also listen to a large % of AI music as my main now various genres: https://suno.com/s/Oc5842XzzuBTk4Ma https://suno.com/s/RdmFOKpbi4zyVbRf https://suno.com/s/J4Z8t8jU9JXVJ1DB https://suno.com/s/OhfzCYkmcZhFf1Pk https://suno.com/s/VYHHLW7Hkw2uHjrb https://suno.com/s/cTu7AkoOdAyi0eWz https://suno.com/s/QvOExImOVzo1b2Gl https://suno.com/s/MASINon9lGr9JPLS https://suno.com/s/ujpTfZwVdAKy9W0h https://suno.co…

OMG, some of those are legit good. That said the AI seems minimally guidable. It seems to ignore three majority of instructions in https://suno.com/song/25b16ab7-bfea-451d-abb3-8b52cdd783d0?s... so I guess like most tools, it's fine if you want to get what you're given but not really control it.

Re: Google Flow Music

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post #108

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not OP but i also listen to a large % of AI music as my main now various genres: https://suno.com/s/Oc5842XzzuBTk4Ma https://suno.com/s/RdmFOKpbi4zyVbRf https://suno.com/s/J4Z8t8jU9JXVJ1DB https://suno.com/s/OhfzCYkmcZhFf1Pk https://suno.com/s/VYHHLW7Hkw2uHjrb https://suno.com/s/cTu7AkoOdAyi0eWz https://suno.com/s/QvOExImOVzo1b2Gl https://suno.com/s/MASINon9lGr9JPLS https://suno.com/s/ujpTfZwVdAKy9W0h https://suno.co…

OMG, some of those are legit good. That said the AI seems minimally guidable. It seems to ignore three majority of instructions in https://suno.com/song/25b16ab7-bfea-451d-abb3-8b52cdd783d0?s... so I guess like most tools, it's fine if you want to get what you're given but not really control it.

Yep agreed. You can guide it only so much and then you're at the mercy of running it a few times to get the closest match

Re: Google Flow Music

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post #53

I've tried and couldn't make it sound like Angine de Poitrine, it completely ignores the microtones. Sounds more like Polyphia. It does look like AdP is the answer to AI.... or we haven't trained the models with sufficient microtones, likely due to western music influence.

For anyone unknowing like me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ssi-9wS1so

I think this is rather an AGI benchmark than a pelican.

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