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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by szundi »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #70
nthypes wrote: post #5

https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro/blob/main... Model was released and it's amazing. Frontier level (better than Opus 4.6) at a fraction of the cost.

I don't think we need to compare models to Opus anymore. Opus users don't care about other models, as they're convinced Opus will be better forever. And non-Opus users don't want the expense, lock-in or limits. As a non-Opus user, I'll continue to use the cheapest fastest models that get my job done, which (for me anyway) is still MiniMax M2.5. I occasionally try a newer, more expensive model, and I get the same resu…

I don’t know what people are doing but Minimax produced 16 bugreports which of 15 was false positives (literally a mistake).

In contrast ChatGPT 5.3 and also Opus has a 90% rate at least on this same project. (Embedded)

All other tests were the same. What are you doing with these models?

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by datadrivenangel »

aliljet wrote: post #61

How can you reasonably try to get near frontier (even at all tps) on hardware you own? Maybe under 5k in cost?

A loaded macbook pro can get you to the frontier from 24 months ago at ~10-40tok/s, which is plenty fast enough for regular chatting.

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Post by slopinthebag »

raincole wrote: post #27

History doesn't always repeat itself. But if it does, then in the following week we'll see DeepSeek4 floods every AI-related online space. Thousands of posts swearing how it's better than the latest models OpenAI/Anthropic/Google have but only costs pennies. Then a few weeks later it'll be forgotten by most.

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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by slopinthebag »

post-it wrote: post #116
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we need to compare models to Opus anymore. Opus users don't care about other models, as they're convinced Opus will be better forever. And non-Opus users don't want the expense, lock-in or limits. As a non-Opus user, I'll continue to use the cheapest fastest models that get my job done, which (for me anyway) is still MiniMax M2.5. I occasionally try a newer, more expensive model, and I get the same resu…

What do you run these on? I've gotten comfortable with Claude but if folks are getting Opus performance for cheaper I'll switch.

Try Charm Crush first, it's a native binary. If it's unbearable, try opencode, just with the knowledge your system will probably be pwned soon since it's JS + NPM + vibe coding + some of the most insufferable devs in the industry behind that product.

If you're feeling frisky, Zed has a decent agent harness and a very good editor.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by trueno »

gbnwl wrote: post #9

I’m deeply interested and invested in the field but I could really use a support group for people burnt out from trying to keep up with everything. I feel like we’ve already long since passed the point where we need AI to help us keep up with advancements in AI.

holy shit im right there with you

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by versteegen »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #70
nthypes wrote: post #5

https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro/blob/main... Model was released and it's amazing. Frontier level (better than Opus 4.6) at a fraction of the cost.

I don't think we need to compare models to Opus anymore. Opus users don't care about other models, as they're convinced Opus will be better forever. And non-Opus users don't want the expense, lock-in or limits. As a non-Opus user, I'll continue to use the cheapest fastest models that get my job done, which (for me anyway) is still MiniMax M2.5. I occasionally try a newer, more expensive model, and I get the same resu…

Which model's best depends on how you use it. There's a huge difference in behaviour between Claude and GPT and other models which makes some poor substitutes for others in certain use cases. I think the GPT models are a bad substitute for Claude ones for tasks such as pair-programming (where you want to see the CoT and have immediate responses) and writing code that you actually want to read and edit yourself, as opposed to just letting GPT run in the background to produce working code that you won't inspect. Yes, GPT 5.4 is cheap and brilliant but very black-box and often very slow IME. GPT-5.4 still seems to behave the same as 5.1, which includes problems like: doesn't show useful thoughts, can think for half an hour, says "Preparing the patch now" then thinks for another 20 min, gives no impression of what it's doing, reads microscopic parts of source files and misses context, will do anything to pass the tests including patching libraries...

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by mikae1 »

simonw wrote: post #63

I like the pelican I got out of deepseek-v4-flash more than the one I got from deepseek-v4-pro. https://simonwillison.net/2026/Apr/24/deepseek-v4/ Both generated using OpenRouter. For comparison, here's what I got from DeepSeek 3.2 back in December: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Dec/1/deepseek-v32/ And DeepSeek 3.1 in August: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Aug/22/deepseek-31/ And DeepSeek v3-0324 in March last year:…

Being a bicycle geometry nerd I always look at the bicycle first.

Let me tell you how much the Pro one sucks... It looks like failed Pedersen[1]. The rear wheel intersects with the bottom bracket, so it wouldn't even roll. Or rather, this bike couldn't exist.

The flash one looks surprisingly correct with some wild fork offset and the slackest of seat tubes. It's got some lowrider[2] aspirations with the small wheels, but with longer, Rivendellish[3], chainstays. The seat post has different angle than the seat tube, so good luck lowering that.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedersen_bicycle

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowrider_bicycle

[3] https://www.rivbike.com/

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by slopinthebag »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #66
nthypes wrote: post #5

https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro/blob/main... Model was released and it's amazing. Frontier level (better than Opus 4.6) at a fraction of the cost.

> (better than Opus 4.6) There we go again :) It seems we have a release each day claiming that. What's weird is that even deepseek doesn't claim it's better than opus w/ thinking. No idea why you'd say that but anyway. Dsv3 was a good model. Not benchmaxxed at all, it was pretty stable where it was. Did well on tasks that were ood for benchmarks, even if it was behind SotA. This seems to be similar. Behind SotA, but…

Anthropic fans would claim God itself is behind Opus by 3-6 months and then willingly be abused by Boris and one of his gaslighting tweets.

LMAO

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