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Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by ryandrake »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #82
cwmoore wrote: post #77

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Why deal with problem systems when we can punish someone we caught? That is your thought process?

Is it possible that grocery stores are reducing positions to save money? Is it not possible that it is a feedback loop? Why are we blaming the grocery store for replacing labor with machines? Why don't we decry the grocery that hires only 2 people instead of 3? And since when is stealing a prank?

It's entirely possible that both can be wrong. Shoplifting is bad, but "big corporations pocketing the saved money after understaffing and passing their labor off to the customer" is also bad. We should decry the grocery that hires 2 people instead of 3 just to profit more.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by jasonjayr »

gruez wrote: post #42
rithdmc wrote: post #38

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Hardly matters when one may print their own barcode on labels and cover the frangible one.

printing your own sticker requires way more prep than ripping one off a pack of ground beef and sticking it on a pack ribeye steak.

You can buy a battery operated portable bluetooth based printer to print barcodes from your phone, for less than $15. It'll even fit in your pocket.

I mean, you need to prepare having that printer on you, but it's not all that difficult to print on demand while in the store.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by kls0e »

Aboutplants wrote: post #29

I was in college when self checkout became a thing and it took us all of about 45 seconds to realize that you could just check everything out as bananas. Steak was weighed and priced at 4011 (banana code) as the stoned teenager cashier paid no attention. Everything on the receipt was literally Bananas

that's nuts

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by bee_rider »

dfxm12 wrote: post #51
kvuj wrote: post #43

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People like you are why we are living in an increasingly lower trust society, with for example having items behind locked door in shops. Reminds me a bit of the shopping cart theory.

Think about blaming the grocery store replacing workers with no one in particular before you blame some college pranksters. Grocery stores in general consolidating, laying off workers, leaving them without pay/benefits, taking advantage of greedflation, etc., is a bigger drain on society.

I mean, it isn’t really a prank, it is just small scale stealing. It’s fine to not care about that sort of thing, or think it is morally defensible for people who can’t afford food to steal it. But there’s no punchline to make it a prank.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by vel0city »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #92
DangerousPie wrote: post #33

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Congratulations, you have discovered the concept of shoplifting!

if a store does not want to hire capable staff to perform an essential function, they should not expect laypeople to perform that action for free (or at higher cost, as we've seen with grocery prices in the US as human cashiers are reduced) at the same level as a trained staff member. we do not have to accept this decision to reduce staff and raise prices as a matter of course. plus, if you see somebody stealing food…

If people are needing to steal food to survive we need to radically work on changing society so that doesn't happen, not just then a blind eye and ignore it.

But no, most people in the US aren't stealing from grocery stores to feed their kids, they're stealing from stores to resell on black markets.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by era-epoch »

xenocratus wrote: post #120
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if a store does not want to hire capable staff to perform an essential function, they should not expect laypeople to perform that action for free (or at higher cost, as we've seen with grocery prices in the US as human cashiers are reduced) at the same level as a trained staff member. we do not have to accept this decision to reduce staff and raise prices as a matter of course. plus, if you see somebody stealing food…

> plus, if you see somebody stealing food, no, you didn't Don't tell me, in your view the cost of shoplifting is begrudgingly covered by those evil rich people who own everything, right? It's not passed down to customers, and therefore affects those who obey rules, and especially those who are in a precarious financial situation to begin with, right?

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Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by lotsofpulp »

FatherOfCurses wrote: post #89
DangerousPie wrote: post #33

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Congratulations, you have discovered the concept of shoplifting!

Too bad the store owners introduced a way to give customers more control over how merchandise exits their store.

At my grocery store, they are using image recognition for self checkout. Bananas show up as bananas automatically, and if you select otherwise, I imagine it flags the item or purchaser. Shouldn't be long before the store figures out who is regularly overriding the image recognition for the purposes of theft.

Either way, pretty stupid to incriminate yourself without plausible deniability on high definition cameras for stealing low price items.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by ryandrake »

xenocratus wrote: post #120
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if a store does not want to hire capable staff to perform an essential function, they should not expect laypeople to perform that action for free (or at higher cost, as we've seen with grocery prices in the US as human cashiers are reduced) at the same level as a trained staff member. we do not have to accept this decision to reduce staff and raise prices as a matter of course. plus, if you see somebody stealing food…

> plus, if you see somebody stealing food, no, you didn't Don't tell me, in your view the cost of shoplifting is begrudgingly covered by those evil rich people who own everything, right? It's not passed down to customers, and therefore affects those who obey rules, and especially those who are in a precarious financial situation to begin with, right?

I don't understand why we'd defend a megacorporation. Both the corporation and the shoplifter can be wrong.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by nozzlegear »

neuralkoi wrote: post #118
Aboutplants wrote: post #29

I was in college when self checkout became a thing and it took us all of about 45 seconds to realize that you could just check everything out as bananas. Steak was weighed and priced at 4011 (banana code) as the stoned teenager cashier paid no attention. Everything on the receipt was literally Bananas

Yesterday I went to Walmart, and at the self-checkout the system quirked out and an attendant came by. She reviewed some sort of draconian overhead cam video of me trying to locate a tag out for a product to scan. Gave me "guilty until proven" innocent vibes. Are these systems actually effective?

The self checkout at my preferred grocery store (Hy-vee, an upper midwest chain) has started using these overhead cameras to confirm that you're purchasing everything you ostensibly have in your cart. Except it always flags us for the Starbucks drinks we're carrying (Hy-vees usually have a mini Starbucks shop inside them). More annoying though is that it flags us for the 5 gallon water jug refills that we manually punch into the self-checkout kiosk, because the surveillance system isn't satisfied unless the heavy ass jugs of water leave the cart, slide across the scanner and then get placed in the bagging area – anything else is possible theft.

All this has done is train us to keep the carts out of the camera's viewing angle. It doesn't care if you keep pulling handfuls of groceries out of hammer space, as long as there's no cart in the frame.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by bee_rider »

devilbunny wrote: post #61
rimunroe wrote: post #22

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> Usually the advertised price must be honored, because it may have brought the customer to your store. This is not the case for groceries in Massachusetts at least. If there’s a discrepancy between the tag’s price and the scanned price the store must charge the customer the lowest of the two: https://www.mass.gov/price-accuracy-information

I suspect this law does not apply in cases of fraud. If not, simple tag-switching would be rampant.

I dunno, having worked in retail I think it is just not that hard to steal in general (I wasn’t going to get killed over some bananas). Most people are honest most of the time.

The law probably doesn’t apply to fraud, but then the cashier only notices the really obvious cases.

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