We’ll need “Organic software” seal of approval soon.
Do we need a campaign for real humans? Because i wouldnt be opposed to that!
SDL bans AI-written commits
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Re: SDL bans AI-written commits
#122We’ll need “Organic software” seal of approval soon.
That would be a negative signal for me personally. It shows the authors care more about process than results.
Journey before destination. In both eastern and western philosophy, caring about the results and not the process is the recipe to unhappiness.
Not to be condescending, but everyone goes through this phase, then they grow up, it’s literally what separates the amateur from the master.
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#123Re: SDL bans AI-written commits
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Will they? Will someone have enough time, skill and dedication to maintain it? I don’t think using AI will by itself make a big enough difference, it’s still a lot of work to maintain a project
> I don’t think using AI will by itself make a big enough difference, it’s still a lot of work to maintain a project I think you are wrong. The "a lot of work maintaining a project" would be reduced, specially issues investigation, code improvement, security issues detection and fixes. SDL isn't a that relevant project, but "ban AI-written commit" - which reading the issue, sounds more like ban "AI usage" - is counte…
> SDL isn't a that relevant project
Unreal 5 uses SDL to be able to create "windows" in a cross platform manner (specific use case, but not just a thing on Linux [1]). Many others do as well.
[1] https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/unreal-engine/updati...
Re: SDL bans AI-written commits
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would be a negative signal for me personally. It shows the authors care more about process than results.
Journey before destination. In both eastern and western philosophy, caring about the results and not the process is the recipe to unhappiness. Not to be condescending, but everyone goes through this phase, then they grow up, it’s literally what separates the amateur from the master.
Which approach are you saying is a phase people grow out of?
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really. The opposite is far, far more desirable in my eyes. Example: * Do I care if an LLM was used to determine the volume of my doorbell? Not particularly. * Do I care if an LLM was used to generate code to unlock my front door remotely? Absolutely! I need a warning label cautioning me of the risks associated with generative materials. I don't care in the slightest when it isn't present, because the inherent ri…
You sure the door lock companies are hiring the best and brightest engineers? Not clear to me an LLM is not attractive in that scenario.
My mistrust of digital locks isn’t based on negligence from the reputable(?) manufacturers (Abloy? Reputation is in the eye of the beholder).
It’s who else has access: property and facility management, maintenance, etc. In the age of physical keys, I trusted these SMBs to be relatively capable, let’s say 7/10, in protecting those keys from most local would-be criminals and opportunists. That goes down to 2/10 for protecting digital assets, like remote unlock capabilities, from cybercrime.
As soon as there is a viable market connecting cybercriminals with local criminals, whether it’s vertically integrated organised crime or something like carding forums, physical access exploitation is bound to become a problem.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Journey before destination. In both eastern and western philosophy, caring about the results and not the process is the recipe to unhappiness. Not to be condescending, but everyone goes through this phase, then they grow up, it’s literally what separates the amateur from the master.
Which approach are you saying is a phase people grow out of?
One is supposed to grow out of caring about the result. A master at their craft creates masterpieces because day in, day out they sit at their desk and create. When they're sad, they sit down and create. If you love the process, you keep at doing something; doing something repeatedly is how you become a master.
If you want to go spiritual, there's karma yoga from the Bhagavad Gita: "You have a right to perform your prescribed duties, but you are not entitled to the fruits of your actions. Never consider yourself to be the cause of the results of your activities, nor be attached to inaction."
Did Leonardo work for fame and monies, or simply because he found massive enjoyment in it? What about Hemingway, or Einstein?
This might all sound like new age bullshit, but it's taken me literally 15 years of my life to understand this and grow out of chronic procrastination and dissatisfaction.
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#128Good move, and a good reminder of how much of an echo chamber Hacker News is on AI matters. In here, and big tech at large, it's touted like the unavoidable future that either you adapt or you die. LLMs are always a few months away from the (u|dys)topia of never having to write code ever again. Elsewhere, especially in fields where craft and artistry are valued (i.e. game development), AI is synonym of wanting to cut…
"AI is synonym of wanting to cut corners, poor quality, and to put it simply, slop" A craftsman knows how to use his tools. You can with AI produce very complete, polished, maintainable and tested, secure, performant high quality code. It does take planning and lots of work on your part, but there is a high payoff. So many people just dump a one paragraph brainfart into a prompt and then label the AI "slop". Slop in…
>people just dump a one paragraph
So how much is enough?
Re: SDL bans AI-written commits
#129We’ll need “Organic software” seal of approval soon.
That would be a negative signal for me personally. It shows the authors care more about process than results.
the problem is that with AI code the results are either not verified by a human, or verifying them is more work than writing them from scratch.
i want all my software verified by a human, even an unexperienced human is more reliable than AI at this point. (this may change, but it hasn't yet)
Re: SDL bans AI-written commits
#130We’ll need “Organic software” seal of approval soon.
Not really. The opposite is far, far more desirable in my eyes. Example: * Do I care if an LLM was used to determine the volume of my doorbell? Not particularly. * Do I care if an LLM was used to generate code to unlock my front door remotely? Absolutely! I need a warning label cautioning me of the risks associated with generative materials. I don't care in the slightest when it isn't present, because the inherent ri…
how do you know the door volume code hasn't somehow touched the unlocking code?