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Google Nexus 4 Review

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Re: Google Nexus 4 Review

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I have wondered about buying unlocked phones in the United States. Does my monthly bill change when bringing an unlocked phone to Verizon or AT&T?

Month to month plans are not nearly as good or cheap in the US as they are in Europe. I've been doing a lot of investigation about this and it's frustrating because I want to buy a new unlocked phone here in the US but it's almost not worth it here because you still have to buy some absurdly expensive plan.

In Germany I was able to buy a 20 euro a month data only plan for my iPhone and I was perfectly happy.

I ended up ordering the iPhone 5 on Verizon at the subsidized rate ($300) and stuck it on my dad's Verizon account for $30 a month (cheapest data plan only) and then when I go back to Germany later next year I'll just cancel it and try to get out of paying the early termination fee. Even if I have to pay the fee it's only $350 which, added with the initial price of the phone, is the same price as out-of-contract iPhone 5.

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How did they shut down third party apps? I'm technically not supposed to be able to tether on Sprint, but I can run PDANet or FoxFi to tether over USB or bluetooth anyway, on a non-rooted phone.

They monitor traffic, I assume. I have historically used both PDAnet and FoxFi among others...all get shut down within a few minutes, and I receive a text telling me to sign up for tethering service. I'll try it again after rooting the phone, to rule out simply detecting all the common tethering apps, but I'm guessing they're detecting NATted traffic or similar. I'm considering picking up a Nexus 4, rather than bothe…

That's a bummer. The $30/month unlimited data plan plus $15/month for legit hotspot service isn't too bad, though. I'm considering that.

Re: Google Nexus 4 Review

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T-Mobile in the US used to discount their post-paid plans when you brought your own phone. They stopped doing that but started offering some pretty great prepaid plans: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/monthly-4g-plans I am on the $30/mo unlimited text, 5GB of HSPA+ data and 100 voice minutes plan and it's great. I reduced my monthly bill by 60%.

T-Mobile has discounted post-paid plans again if you bring your own device: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Packages/ValuePackages.aspx I'm on the $30/mo "walmart" prepaid plan, but I'm considering switching back to post paid because you can't use any data roaming at all on T-Mobile prepaid.

Whoah what? There's no data roaming? What does that mean? I can't use data in another state?

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I'll take a lighter device + $100 over 16GB + LTE at least until LTE is widely available in my city (which is probably 2-3 years away). But again, ignoring OS which is generally not a good idea when making a phone purchase.

Ignoring OS is the only way to make a fair comparison, since OS preference probably trumps the feature and price delta ( whether you prefer WP or Android).

Then why bother comparing. It is a classic apples and oranges then isn't it?

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Straight Talk and Net 10 Sim are both great. You buy a SIM card, and then every month pay $45-50 for unlimited service. I think they use AT&T's network.

Wow that's pricy! Over here in the soviet UK you can get a £10-15 pcm contract that gives you unlimited (not tethered) data and a reasonable about of other stuff, so long as you bring your own phone.

There are some subtle differences between the US (actually North America) and the rest of the world. You have probably heard how people in the US pay for incoming calls, which is true.

In the North American Numbering Plan there are no area codes for cell phones as there are in the rest of the world. Consequently a caller doesn't know if they are calling a cell phone. In almost every country in the world, calls to cell phones cost more. In the US the recipient pays the difference. Elsewhere the caller pays the difference. In the US the recipient has bulk bargaining power so those calls are cheaper than elsewhere.

So if you really wanted to compare like with like, you should compare the cost of the US contract to the cost of what callers pay plus what you pay elsewhere. Note that callers can pay a lot more elsewhere - often 10 times as much as a call to a landline. See international phone cards to get an idea.

There are two other factors. One is psychological in that US consumers are very averse to variable billed amounts, and are prepared to pay more in order to have a fixed known bill. (I once read a paper I've never been able to find about this, showing it dated back to the earliest days of phone service in the US.) You may recall hearing how local phone calls are free. They aren't - you pay a higher base price. When I moved from the UK to the US my baseline phone service price quintupled. The difference is the local calls were "free" in the US while it was a few pence a minute in the UK.

The other factor is that there was no regulation requiring certain radio technology or interoperability. While the original GSM was good, it wasn't very future proof. It divided up frequency usage into time slots which meant you had a fixed number of possible calls. It also meant neighbouring towers couldn't use the same frequency. Qualcomm came up with CDMA which was very future proof - a phone talking to a tower sees all other phones (when they transmit) as background noise. Consequently it doesn't matter how the others talked to the tower so they could advance specifications. You could also put CDMA towers further apart than GSM towers. ("3G" etc are an evolution of CDMA all over the world.)

CDMA was adopted by two of the major carriers, but because almost no one else used CDMA that meant they had to source their own phones. That lead to a model where consumers got used to getting their phones from the carrier with no alternative. New phones were really cheap or free in return for a contract of a fixed monthly amount, which included around $20 per month just to pay the remainder of the cost of the phone.

Consumers are loathe to pay the real price of phones because they have never done so before. And carriers are loathe to have bring your own phone plans because the way their financial performance is measured is by ARPU - average revenue per user. Additionally because the carrier is bulk buying phones they can squeeze the suppliers, and they can "cripple" the phones to further their own interests. Verizon has been a master at the latter - for example they disabled bluetooth phonebook syncing several years back on a phone so they could push their own over the air backup service, they pull stunts with mapping (they have their own service) and even prevented Google's Wallet from working on the Galaxy Nexus (yup, they have their own too).

So like many things American we have this unwholly complicated mess where no one is paying the real price of anything, and what is actually going on is hidden behind other things.

If you are interested in how GSM and CDMA evolved, this is an excellent article http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/10/GSM3G.shtml

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I think it's actually illegal in the EU to sell products bellow cost. We call it dumping but it seems Amazon and Google are able to do it just fine in the US. So that might be one reason.

This is not why; the nexus4 is much cheaper than the SGS3 in the UK. (240/280 VS ~400). Moreover, google and amazon do NOT sell below cost. They are near cost, for the cheapest version, at launch. Go look at how much tablets sell for in China if you think their tablets are below cost. (or miumiu phones).

I do think they might sell bellow cost. Of course, it's illegal to say it so they claim it's at cost. Amazon even brags there is no margin: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/10/12/amazon-ma... but I wonder, if they are so desperate for market share, wouldn't get go a bit further. I think they do.

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Its 299 (granted € not $) in Germany too, thats more expensive than in the US but still cheap for a phone like that! Cool phone, LTE is a non issue for me since its not widely available here anyway and with the tiny amount of data your get here (i have 300Megs included in my contract after which it gets slowed down to dialup speeds) its kinda useless.

The US price does not include sales taxe (19% in Germany). If you take this into account is's still more expensive in Germany but less than 10%.

The odd thing is the Shenzhen Foxcon factory is closer to Berlin than San Francisco. Somehow, even excluding taxes, it's still more expensive in Germany.

And a difference of 7% is substantial for a product with no margins.

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