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Post by amarant »

tapoxi wrote: post #46
ai4mathlogicrsn wrote: post #14

Claude.ai is down… Powered by Atlassian StatusPage. SaaS is dead, but even Anthropic needs SaaS!

SaaS is dead because large chunks of the industry can't do work or understand their codebase without depending on a proprietary AI model from a single provider. And you thought GitHub or us-east-1 outages were bad.

GitHub outages are most likely entirely unrelated to anything AI, and 100% caused by their move from on-prem hosting to Azure.

They have a very unusual workload in that they need to write to disk a lot more than what is typical, making them harder to host for a generic cloud provider. And also Azure sucks so bad it's almost impressive GitHub has any uptime at all!

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Post by htrp »

nunodonato wrote: post #83
mbgerring wrote: post #69

I wonder how long it will take the software industry to re-learn the 2010s lesson, that basing your entire business on (and in this case, firing half of your employees and replacing them with) another company’s API is a bad business decision

we have a big dependency on AI, both for developers (can survive without it, mostly habits) and internal workflows (very hard to go without it). So we decided to unplug from cloud AI, rent our own GPU and use an open model for both scenarios. We have been very happy with it so far, 60% cheaper and around 50% faster

why not an inbetween scenario like using a managed inference provider to host your own models?

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Post by kristianc »

amarant wrote: post #115
kristianc wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it goes as well as the 'open' / federated social network alternatives of the 2010s, I wouldn't count on it.

Social networks are 100% network effect. AI models are not really effected by that at all. Which doesn't mean the open models will definitely succeed, it just means they have more of a shot than the open social networks ever did

>AI models are not really effected by that at all.

I don't know about that. More usage means more support, which means more docs and open source projects, wrappers, harnesses built around them etc.

Way less demand to build tooling around open weight models if they remain hobbyist.

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Post by cortesoft »

graemep wrote: post #100
cortesoft wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you say it is a bad business decision? It seems to be a fine decision to make for things like AWS, since when it goes down, a ton of websites go down and no one blames the site. There is no way to know whether it is a good or bad business decision just because they can go down when a third party goes down. For example, if you save $50 million a year by firing half your employees and replacing them with AI,…

On the other hand a competitor site that is up (or bricks and mortar competitors) might get a lot of business when AWS goes down. If you depend on AWS for operations it might be a lot more expensive than that. Mostly I think its that management does not blame the person who picks AWS. Its another iteration of "no one got fired for buying IBM/Microsoft". It is also an issue at other levels: if all a county's businesse…

This is exactly my point, though. I was simply stating that you can't be sure it is a bad business decision just because it goes down sometimes. It isn't immediately obvious from that single fact whether the business decision is good or bad, it is simply one factor to consider. Occasional downtime isn't an immediate business killer for every business.

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Post by ravenstine »

mbgerring wrote: post #69

I wonder how long it will take the software industry to re-learn the 2010s lesson, that basing your entire business on (and in this case, firing half of your employees and replacing them with) another company’s API is a bad business decision

Corporate leaders don't learn lessons. They follow trends, chase growth, reduce the perception of risk, diffuse blame, get their business acquired, and exit with money bags in both hands. No learning from experience necessary.

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Post by andoando »

kristianc wrote: post #124
amarant wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social networks are 100% network effect. AI models are not really effected by that at all. Which doesn't mean the open models will definitely succeed, it just means they have more of a shot than the open social networks ever did

>AI models are not really effected by that at all. I don't know about that. More usage means more support, which means more docs and open source projects, wrappers, harnesses built around them etc. Way less demand to build tooling around open weight models if they remain hobbyist.

The big thing is here is more training and that comes in two flavors:

1. Using AI helps as part of the training process.

2. All the prompts going to openai/claude is a gold mine.

Re: Claude.ai down

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Post by GorbachevyChase »

flemhans wrote: post #91
strongpigeon wrote: post #61

I have to say, I do respect Anthropic's honesty for their status page. Most service provider seem allergic to declaring an outage... It is a weird thing to respect come to think of it... Having an accurate status page should be the baseline, but that's the world we live in.

They aren't declaring 99% of their degraded service, reduced performance, token consumption bugs etc. One of the least transparent companies I've been a customer of.

I get the feeling this is where Jack sparrow comes in and says “but you are a customer“

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Post by Lutzb »

nextaccountic wrote: post #118
ru552 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemma 4 has made a lot of progress in this area. The model is phenomenal. It's size is workable. This is the worst it will ever be.

Now we just need the RAM market to get back to normal. Or at least fine OpenAI for speculating on raw wafers. There's an article on the front page [0] with this passage that gives me hope that consumer access to VRAM may improve > On the infrastructure side: OpenAI signed non-binding letters of intent with Samsung and SK Hynix for up to 900,000 DRAM wafers per month, roughly 40% of global output. These were of course…

Microns stock is still up 470% yoy

Re: Claude.ai down

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Post by altern8 »

mbgerring wrote: post #69

I wonder how long it will take the software industry to re-learn the 2010s lesson, that basing your entire business on (and in this case, firing half of your employees and replacing them with) another company’s API is a bad business decision

Sorry, but what happened in 2010..?
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