US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

Post by queenkjuul » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 10:10 AM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #97

4gotunameagain wrote: post #87

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This is not true. The violations of ceasefires by Israel in Gaza and Lebanon were a clear indication that there was no desire for diplomacy, only continuation of the atrocities. This is not a ceasefire entered in bad faith, it is simply a strategic usage of one of the few tools that can end a war, and in my opinion morally abhorrent.

> The violations of ceasefires by Israel in Gaza and Lebanon were a clear indication that there was no desire for diplomacy Israel has pretty consistently claimed they never agreed to a ceasefire in lebanon (and nobody is claiming this ceasefire changed anything in Gaza). Iran seemed to only claim the ceasefire included lebanon later on and not initially (afaict, not 100% sure). Honestly it makes one wonder if the te…

Post by queenkjuul » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 10:13 AM UTC

FunnyUsername wrote: post #113

cassianoleal wrote: post #110

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> With the greatest humility, I am pleased to announce that the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America, along with their allies, have agreed to an immediate ceasefire everywhere including Lebanon and elsewhere, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. PM of Pakistan announced without a doubt after the agreement that Lebanon "and elsewhere" were included. "Western" media seemed to gloss over this "small detail". http…

Israel hadn't agreed to anything yet though. There was apparently some confusion in the Pakistani mediation. Vance called it a "legitimate misunderstanding".

Post by queenkjuul » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 10:20 AM UTC

WarmWash wrote: post #31

hgoel wrote: post #15

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Insane reasoning after threatening genocide, the "no quarter" comment, previous bad faith negotiations, then further bombing the people trying to negotiate in previous attempts. This isn't just about the current regime wanting to stay in power, do you think the average Iranian is going to trust the side that literally threatened to end their civilization overnight? That goes far beyond calling for regime change.

May I remind you the Iranian regime was locking down the internet and shooting protesters in the street in the weeks leading up to the attack.

Post by dingaling » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 10:34 AM UTC

adrian_b wrote: post #84

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #64

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I have my doubts. There was a previous BBC piece[0] which went into some of the challenges with such a mission. The first being: it is not publicly known where Iran is storing its uranium. There are many putative options, most of which are going to be hardened and underground. Isfahan is near the middle of the country - safely getting troops there would already be challenging, let alone digging up any from the collap…

While it is hard to believe that someone in the US military believed that such a mission for uranium extraction can be successful, it is at least equally hard to believe that the US military has spent around a half of billion dollars just for saving 2 men, while also risking the lives of a very large number of other US combatants. Saving your men is important, but it should have been easy to do that at a much lower c…

Post by Arodex » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 11:14 AM UTC

YZF wrote: post #59

kumarvvr wrote: post #23

What leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter? The only options left for US are large scale bombing, like in Vietnam or Cambodia OR putting soldiers on the ground. Going on for years. Or drop a nuke. Bombing will be of limited use and extremely costly, because is Iran is too large. Its a geographical fortress, mostly large mountain ranges, or deserts. Soldiers on the ground means a large scale…

To figure out the leverage just imagine 50 fighter jets over your head each with 6 heavy bombs where their goal is to blow you up. Now argue that those controlling those jets have no leverage. Bombing has limits but can also do a lot of damage. It's true not every single IRGC member or leader can be bombed out of existence. But many can. It's also true that some infrastucture is buried. But a lot isn't. Specifically…