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The End of Eleventy

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Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by kingo55 »

9dev wrote: post #91
kingo55 wrote: post #66

It's sad to see 11ty co-opted like this especially after building a complex project on it with several thousand pages ( https://www.extravirginvault.com/ ). Despite the complexity, I feel like it's only a couple of days work to replatform my site to a more modern SSG like Astro. Unfortunately I don't think anyone feels strongly enough about 11ty to fight for it when the next SSG is a few Claude Code prompts away.

Friendly heads-up, because that site looks like you've put in a tremendous amount of time to style it right: The carousels clip the shadows of their children. You could avert that by giving it more inner padding and using negative horizontal margins to counter that :)

Thanks! Just fixed it - that did the trick...

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by nedt »

xp84 wrote: post #5

SSGs versus Wordpress is surprisingly still a battle… I’m genuinely shocked at the number of sites on the Net that use Wordpress, dynamically assembling markup with PHP for every page view, risking constant hacking and stuff, when they have a total of like 7 or 100 pages, which could all be pre-rendered to HTML files in roughly 8 seconds on even a junky laptop or X-small ec2 instance. It really is okay. For those who…

Wordpress can be part of a SSG setup - it's not versus.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by b3lvedere »

slopinthebag wrote: post #84
peteforde wrote: post #58

Many folks on HN are the exact sorts of people who have lived the thankless popular-enough-to-be-an-unpaid-job solo OSS maintainer dream, so I wonder if you feel as annoyed by the tone of this post as I do. I truly don't understand how the same folks that champion accessibility and humane ideals while humble bragging about working for $5/hour to help get local businesses online can throw so much shade on people who a…

Idk if it's fair to characterise someone helping build a "community-driven directory to help people discover and connect with grassroots organizations, clubs, activist groups, and community initiatives" as "working for $5/hour to help get local businesses online". It's akin to complaining that pro-bono work devalues the profession of law. It feels like there is entitlement on both sides. People who do OSS work feel e…

I agree with Rich Hickey in that. I use Debian a lot, but i am fully aware i am not entitled to any sort of free support when things don’t go i want them to go. I get what i pay for. If i want things to go my way i will have to make the effort myself. By investing time and/or money.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by 9dev »

Lammy wrote: post #103
9dev wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely underestimating the complexity of proper live preview of changes. This is essentially "hot reload" mode, but on the public internet, because it has to run on a public domain. Getting that right is a challenge, and if you don't know why, you haven't attempted to solve it yet.

Why would I want my WIP site to be on the public internet? This has been built into Jekyll for years. Probably other SSGs too but I don't know/use them. jekyll serve --watch --incremental

Because you're thinking in the context of a solo developer working on their site locally. You don't need a CMS. People that want to collaboratively work on a website, some of which may lack technical skills, need a way of previewing their edits that doesn't involve running shell commands.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by akashmeshram »

charles_f wrote: post #18

I've been using the same version of Jekyll, using the same outdated, discontinued version of ruby, for more than 10y. I refuse to learn anything about ruby, or spend any time upgrading Jekyll or any of the 2 plug-ins I use, and I take a weird pride in that. It works, it generates my blog, I don't want it to do anything else. I have no idea how it works anymore. For all I know Jekyll has been abandoned. That version o…

Same here 10+ years on Jekyll, old Ruby version, zero interest in changing it. I run it in a container too. It just works. It generates HTML and HTML still works. I'll be on this setup for another 10 years.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by simonw »

Jacob Kaplan-Moss, February 2024: https://social.jacobian.org/@jacob/111914179201102152

> “We believe that open source should be sustainable and open source maintainers should get paid!”

> Maintainer: introduces commercial features “Not like that”

> Maintainer: works for a large tech co “Not like that”

> Maintainer: takes investment “Not like that”

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by ngrilly »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #93

TLDR: Lookup Sveltia CMS > The truth is, there has been no successful CMS for static-site generators because the only people that give a fuck about creating static sites would much prefer to use a (free and local) IDE and a terminal. I completely disagree with this. The main problem is that these people don't want to pay for such a solution. There's a thriving ecosystem of headless CMS for commercial websites: multi-…

Sveltia CMS looks good!

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by WickyNilliams »

preommr wrote: post #13

Much prefer astro. It's somewhat counterintuitive, but the added complexity leads to simpler projects that are easier to maintain long term. I have simple markdown files, and a separate, code-based conversion process that works well for me. Also the documentation for eleventy was always confusing to me. I almost got the impression that "it's so simple, we don't have to explain it". Whereas astro's documentation is mu…

Astro is very nice, but I kinda feel like they are adding a lot of features I don't want and will never need. It's starting to feel too fancy for SSG. My first time using it I encountered 3 separate bugs with their compiler. The fanciness has a price.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by Hoasi »

akashmeshram wrote: post #125
charles_f wrote: post #18

I've been using the same version of Jekyll, using the same outdated, discontinued version of ruby, for more than 10y. I refuse to learn anything about ruby, or spend any time upgrading Jekyll or any of the 2 plug-ins I use, and I take a weird pride in that. It works, it generates my blog, I don't want it to do anything else. I have no idea how it works anymore. For all I know Jekyll has been abandoned. That version o…

Same here 10+ years on Jekyll, old Ruby version, zero interest in changing it. I run it in a container too. It just works. It generates HTML and HTML still works. I'll be on this setup for another 10 years.

Same here. I have multiple sites working on Jekyll for almost 10 years as well. I’ve considered moving on to other frameworks such as 11ty and tried local versions for the sake of learning and “upgrading”. But in the end Jekyll still works flawlessly and is very easy to maintain. I use a newer version of Ruby though.
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