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Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Spare the fear mongering about "my testosterones!" Testosterone levels, when adjusted for BMI, are consistent. If you dont control for BMI they are declining, but thats a false comparison. Weed, video games and porn at home have nothing to do with testosterone.

This is almost certainly false. Source?

It’s in the same source that the original comment linked https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47717529

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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post #115

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seems regional. in the pnw i have male friends who wish they went into nursing edit: said "quite a few" originally but then only counted 3

> seems regional. in the pnw i have male friends who wish they went into nursing Hah, most of the people I know in the field, especially on that end of are desperate to get out of nursing. One was pursing some sort of environmental engineering degree. The pay looks ok on paper, but the hours are apparently horrendous.

locally overtime pays big. otherwise its 3 x 12-hour shifts a week. when youre done, you go home and noone expects unpaid effort because unions are strong. our regional unions are rising tides and support each other during strikes

people burn out because it certainly causes ptsd but its not the hours, its often the patients. just takes one abusive patient to cause enough ptsd to sour someone on the profession entirely

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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post #4

> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. i.e. Nursing jobs mostly go to women not because men can’t do them because “nurses aren’t men”, per our current cultural norms.

The job itself caters to the natural disposition of women much more than men. That said, having a some male nurses in every hospital to me is mandatory. You need men in those teams for various reasons. But overall the job caters to women. I also believe the number of female primary care physicians recently surpassed men. Or at least in Family Medicine, or something like that.

"The job itself caters to my personal ideation of women much more than men."

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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post #115

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> seems regional. in the pnw i have male friends who wish they went into nursing Hah, most of the people I know in the field, especially on that end of are desperate to get out of nursing. One was pursing some sort of environmental engineering degree. The pay looks ok on paper, but the hours are apparently horrendous.

locally overtime pays big. otherwise its 3 x 12-hour shifts a week. when youre done, you go home and noone expects unpaid effort because unions are strong. our regional unions are rising tides and support each other during strikes people burn out because it certainly causes ptsd but its not the hours, its often the patients. just takes one abusive patient to cause enough ptsd to sour someone on the profession entirel…

It apparently also has the highest injury rate of any major employment category in the US.

From experiences of friends in the profession, the male nurses are "automatically" assigned all the "lift the patient" sorts of jobs, leading to their injury rates. You really can't put a weight limit on lifting a human being in an emergency situation, OSHA be damned.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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post #90

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That's a shallow analysis. These reasons (which are very reasonable) aren't inherently gendered, yet don't seem to deter women as they make up something like 80-90% of these jobs, they're not "just not interested". So... seems like gender _does_ have something to do with that? Maybe just maybe more women gravitate towards these roles because these roles are associated with traditionally-feminine values (care, empathy…

Men are also often the primary breadwinners in families, so they feel the need to take a higher paying job. In families where the husband's job pays well, the wife's career can be decided by personal fulfillment. Teachers are respected (but not paid well), nurses are respected and can earn a good amount, and social work is a very self-fulfilling role (I don't think society holds them in esteem more than other profess…

> If we want men to take up certain roles, we need to pay more.

Why is it only now, when employment rates are seemingly a problem for men, that we need to pay more in these professions to attract men that might otherwise not have considered them? Why shouldn't we have paid more earlier?

The framing of the article and discussion around it is a little bizarre to me because it ignores the decades or longer of (American) society effectively pushing women into industries like education or nursing and subsequently devaluing them.

I don't quite understand why society has to step in and try to fix this for men who are feeling insecure about their job options while simultaneously actively avoiding trying to help women and minorities.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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post #89

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Yeah, not reading a far right nonsense book. I'm a queer person, I think I know what queer theory is.

I don't think you do know what it is, and I don't think being queer inherently imbues you with that knowledge. Queer Theory is a philosophy (or theoretical framework) about language (as with all postmodernist philosophy). It's not a "study", and while queer people can be a subject, it's not its primary object. Furthermore, a book written by two liberal scholars is not a "far right nonsense book". --- Why do people in…

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

#127
post #89

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Yeah, not reading a far right nonsense book. I'm a queer person, I think I know what queer theory is.

I don't think you do know what it is, and I don't think being queer inherently imbues you with that knowledge. Queer Theory is a philosophy (or theoretical framework) about language (as with all postmodernist philosophy). It's not a "study", and while queer people can be a subject, it's not its primary object. Furthermore, a book written by two liberal scholars is not a "far right nonsense book". --- Why do people in…

Or perhaps, I've taken queer studies class in college and know more about it than someone who read a book that's pushing an agenda.

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Why do people insist on taking hard positions on a topic despite only having read propaganda about the issue?

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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locally overtime pays big. otherwise its 3 x 12-hour shifts a week. when youre done, you go home and noone expects unpaid effort because unions are strong. our regional unions are rising tides and support each other during strikes people burn out because it certainly causes ptsd but its not the hours, its often the patients. just takes one abusive patient to cause enough ptsd to sour someone on the profession entirel…

It apparently also has the highest injury rate of any major employment category in the US. From experiences of friends in the profession, the male nurses are "automatically" assigned all the "lift the patient" sorts of jobs, leading to their injury rates. You really can't put a weight limit on lifting a human being in an emergency situation, OSHA be damned.

> You really can't put a weight limit on lifting a human being in an emergency situation, OSHA be damned.

there are protocols for using equipment that are supposed to be required and again it depends on the strength and community of a nursing union. going against these protocols in favor of an "emergency response" undermines the union and local culture drives adherence to these protocols. around here your coworkers would bite your head off for ignoring the protocols. not only risking your own literal back, but inviting a lawsuit if you slip and anything goes wrong

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

#130
post #4

> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. i.e. Nursing jobs mostly go to women not because men can’t do them because “nurses aren’t men”, per our current cultural norms.

The job itself caters to the natural disposition of women much more than men. That said, having a some male nurses in every hospital to me is mandatory. You need men in those teams for various reasons. But overall the job caters to women. I also believe the number of female primary care physicians recently surpassed men. Or at least in Family Medicine, or something like that.

> The job itself caters to the natural disposition of women much more than men.

Imagine saying that about, I dunno, the field of computing.

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