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Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by [deleted] »

bko wrote: post #116
bluefirebrand wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These types of surveys are pretty much useless. Just go by people's revealed preferences. They're using the technology. They don't have to. When you're constantly being force fed the narrative that you must use AI or be left behind, using it is no longer a revealed preference it is a survival mechanism

Literally no one says this to young kids. Teachers are begging them not to use AI. And if you read the article young people are using it for things like deciding what school to go to or dating advice.

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Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by saltcured »

teachrdan wrote: post #81
angelgonzales wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally am paying a massive amount of capital gains taxes! I’m also saving up for a house which means every dollar I don’t contribute to a down payment becomes principal and interest on a mortgage which equals even more money out of my pocket. For instance if I pay $37k in capital gains one year (which I did) and if my principal on a $500k house is $200k at 6% and $1500 monthly payments I’ll have to pay $33k in int…

Some cursory googling shows you have to make capital gains of between $185,000 and $250,000 to have to pay $37,000 in capital gains tax. This is between three and six times as much as someone in their 20s will earn in a year. I think you need a bit more perspective of what it's like to be a young person outside the extremely well compensated tech sector.

Ironically, capital gains tax rates are essentially regressive as they are lower than the typical marginal tax rate for someone earning at those levels. They are a big handout to the capital class, not some special punishment.

So to whine about them shows a baseline belief that income should not be taxed at all, I guess?

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by causal »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #39
dlev_pika wrote: post #11

It’s possible they do not appreciate how AI will help some rich fucks siphoning all the money out of the economy and into their bank accounts.

What exactly is the bull case for your average Joe to be excited about for AI?

I think there are a lot of people who (naively) believe AI is going to lead to abundance for everyone. I think there are very rich people trying to sell that vision.

I think most of us know that even if AI could do all of our jobs, it won't be to give us free products and services.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by causal »

Lendal wrote: post #75

It's okay to have two conflicting thoughts about something and both be true at the same time. AI is awesome but at the same time is promising to do evil in the future. Why? Facebook has done a lot of good for the world, like React for instance, but also done a lot of evil as well. Billionaires have initiated the development of some amazing products and services, but at the same time they're spending their money build…

Yeah. A think there are a lot of tech enthusiasts like myself that find it amazing from a tinkering and curiosity standpoint, but terrifying from a power and those-who-wield-it standpoint.

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Post by mancerayder »

danesparza wrote: post #82
angelgonzales wrote: post #26

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Ah -- you showed your hand there. You should be careful saying things like "high housing costs which driven up by overregulation". It sounds like you're trying to frame bad economic news like it's the fault of a more liberal political party in the US. High housing costs are just an effect of capitalism. It's supply and demand - as simple as that. If they were grass huts in downtown San Fransisco, they'd be just as ex…

People in New York City don't talk as often about how difficult building is because of NIMBYism. Generally it's a combination of red tape that's meant to act as a protection from things like fires and bad construction, which is good, environmental regulations which is so-so (some of them drive up housing costs), because of progressive policies (demanding a certain percentage of units be for lower income people), a scarcity of land, high wages, and a political class tied to unions (the latest tax breaks are tied to 50 dollar min wage for new construction of 99 units or more).

It's very very complicated. And new construction makes rents go up here because it's all luxury - it has to be, or developers won't bother to build.

It's so complicated that I'm sick of reading the West Coasters hot take on housing problems - that it's 100 percent due to single family homes and zoning and other very very California problems.

Guys, we're not all in California.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by palmotea »

lacy_tinpot wrote: post #120
justonepost2 wrote: post #4

We are, in the best case scenario, minting a lost generation in real time. This will become increasingly clear over the next 2 years. Meanwhile, simonw and his retiree friends are having the "time of their lives", so that's good I guess :)

Sure. But what's the solution? Ban AI development?

> Sure. But what's the solution?

> Ban AI development?

The Bulterian Jihad will never be less appealing than it is today.

Re: Study found that young adults have grown less hopeful and more angry about AI

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Post by causal »

lacy_tinpot wrote: post #120
justonepost2 wrote: post #4

We are, in the best case scenario, minting a lost generation in real time. This will become increasingly clear over the next 2 years. Meanwhile, simonw and his retiree friends are having the "time of their lives", so that's good I guess :)

Sure. But what's the solution? Ban AI development?

No, we come up with a serious plan for a post-labor future.

In the USA you can't even get healthcare without a job. Meanwhile tech companies are dumping billions into the race to make humans unemployable. So yeah, until people feel like their leaders can be trusted to have their back, they're going to be anxious.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

HappyHacker731 wrote: post #112
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How old are you? I hate to pull rank on people, but if you're an American who wasn't yet on the job market in 2008, you've never experienced a sustained recession and don't understand the comparison you're drawing. A recession feels much worse than "things cost too much and the world kind of sucks", and workers are affected as much as businesses and CEOs are.

Just because it isn't as bad as 2008 yet doesn't mean we aren't in a recession. I would argue that we were also in a recession before the housing collapse actually hit. Economists will also tell you that the great recession ended in 2009 which I think we both know is bs. My point is that it's a nebulous term and the economy sucks right now despite a few companies keeping GDP artificially inflated.

I guess I'm not terribly interested in debating what exactly the term "recession" means or what the line is where it's fair to say the economy "sucks". If you think that the current state of the economy is as bad as we should expect, and it won't get worse if GDP stops rising, I'm confident you're wrong. But I don't know how to convince you of that unless you've experienced a recession in your working life.

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Post by triceratops »

danesparza wrote: post #82
angelgonzales wrote: post #26

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Ah -- you showed your hand there. You should be careful saying things like "high housing costs which driven up by overregulation". It sounds like you're trying to frame bad economic news like it's the fault of a more liberal political party in the US. High housing costs are just an effect of capitalism. It's supply and demand - as simple as that. If they were grass huts in downtown San Fransisco, they'd be just as ex…

Zoning is regulation. Prop 13 in California is regulation. Regulations can reduce supply and drive up prices. The Bay Area is proof of this.

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Post by parliament32 »

daemonologist wrote: post #40
parliament32 wrote: post #20

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How could your "business" ever make money if any idiot with a $20 CC subscription can recreate it in a weekend? And no, "I can prompt better than them" is not a differentiator.

The idea is the opposite - "nobody" can make money selling software anymore, because software can be cheaply created by an LLM, so you want to start a business that previously would have had to buy software/software engineers in order to support some other product. However, even if that holds true (which is a big if - right now I wouldn't want to run a business backed by vibe software), and even if there are enough s…

There's a fallacy here around how software is fungible. WordPress hasn't made web developers obsolete, despite everybody having access to a $5/mo WYSIWYG-and-domains-and-hosting-bundle environment; quite the opposite, in fact.

I'm seeing the parent's point along these lines: "me and all my friends are starting businesses being the middlemen between WordPress and (people who want websites)". It's not that it won't work, it's just a shit business model.

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