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Re: I've sold out

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Post by stefan_ »

tasuki wrote: post #98
stefan_ wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some people that are "way too deep" into what they think is the "AI ecosystem". The reality is that no such thing exists and most people opening Claude daily have never heard of their harness, tool, stack or whatever. It has about half the relevancy of "MCP", which is such a similar concept where hanger ons try to catch a steam train.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more! Claude Code is a steaming pile of vibe-coded bloat. Pi has been elegantly designed with a minimalist mindset. > It has about half the relevancy of "MCP", which is such a similar concept where hanger ons try to catch a steam train. I'm not even sure what you're saying here. Are you saying MCP and Pi are similar concepts? Or that both are hanger-ons? I believe the steam train of Claude Co…

I think they are similar to Cursor. They are fads. You need to make the model, not smother it with your ingenuity in wrapping it.

Re: I've sold out

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Post by tasuki »

rob wrote: post #88
deaux wrote: post #46

This is so disappointing. Finally we had a fantastic, fully OSS, non-profit harness. Very extensible, well-made, minimal, untainted. None of the baggage of OpenCode both in terms of codebase as well as its.. "passionate" leadership, to put it mildly. > Earendil is a public benefit corporation Ah, so like OpenAI then. > But I've also learned what I do not want. I do not want to build my own company around pi. We have…

> So this is the only part that really answers the "why" - you want to earn a living from working on Pi, and presumably (?) believe you can't achieve that with OSS. I think you're wrong, and belong to the 0.001% of OSS projects that can earn a very nice living from working on Pi without taking this step. I'm not exaggerating, I would fully agree that the number of OSS projects where this is possible is exceedingly sm…

Yes, but iirc Mario Zechner is – in his own words – post economical.

Re: I've sold out

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Post by karolist »

ontouchstart wrote: post #44

I found out last night via pi.dev. And the new repo of pi didn’t exist yet. I have been working with pi-mono locally for a few months now. Great code base to study. Much higher quality than CC. (I have posted a gist analysis before.) Will keep an eye on the work of these talented engineers and entrepreneurs. Good luck guys!

can you link to that gist? I'd be interested to read through it

Re: I've sold out

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Post by alexhans »

Having followed a bit of their work this makes absolute sense and I'm excited to see what it enables.

For those that don't know Armin, he's the creator of flask among many things and has some cool projects like around like gondolin.

As for pi, you should absolutely try it out if you've used opencode/continue-dev or even if you've used the less open cloud vendor coding harnesses like Claude/Codex.

I do agree that they write in a way that requires context.

Re: I've sold out

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Post by stared »

Lerc wrote: post #97
colinmarc wrote: post #57

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Pi is a coding agent harness, like Claude Code, but significantly better and more elegant. Here is a good post describing it: https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2026/1/31/pi/ I switched a few months ago and have not looked back. Unfortunately Anthropic blocked access from Claude Subscription users today, but that's a different story.

To what extent do you feel the harness contributes relative to the model? To put another way, how much inferior can the model be with a superior harness to achieve a similar result?

Significantly! See this recent post „Compare harnesses not models: Blitzy vs GPT-5.4 on SWE-Bench Pro” https://quesma.com/blog/verifying-blitzy-swe-bench-pro/

Re: I've sold out

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Post by tasuki »

stefan_ wrote: post #121
tasuki wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more! Claude Code is a steaming pile of vibe-coded bloat. Pi has been elegantly designed with a minimalist mindset. > It has about half the relevancy of "MCP", which is such a similar concept where hanger ons try to catch a steam train. I'm not even sure what you're saying here. Are you saying MCP and Pi are similar concepts? Or that both are hanger-ons? I believe the steam train of Claude Co…

I think they are similar to Cursor. They are fads. You need to make the model, not smother it with your ingenuity in wrapping it.

One of the selling points of Pi is that it doesn't "smother the model with ingenuity": it's a minimal harness with a focus on transparency, includes a minimal system prompt, and does not add needless tokens to what you are sending to the model.

What agent do you use then? To me it seems most are terrible, incl Claude Code, OpenCode, and the other usual ones. I never felt an urge to use one. At best I used one very reluctantly as a magical black box.

Re: I've sold out

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Post by redblacktree »

orojackson wrote: post #99
loveparade wrote: post #58

Understandable, I'd probably do the same in his position. Still sucks, we've seen this pattern a thousands times before and what happens next is pretty obvious. I was prototyping something with pi under the hood for a personal project, going to switch off it now.

I suggest you make yourself a private fork of Pi so that you don't have to be beholden to Mario and his not-so-new clique. Create a private repo in GitHub first, then do a bare Git clone of https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono.git (ideally do it before the original repo gets moved to Earendil's GitHub org). git clone --bare https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono.git then push that bare clone up to your private repo: git…

How does DMCA apply? The license is MIT.

Re: I've sold out

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Post by tinyhouse »

Pi is my preferred coding agent and I'm happy it lands in good hands. At this point the only reason to use CC is access to Opus. I think open source will end up winning the coding agents race among developers at least. We just need a 30B size model with Opus like capabilities for coding. Frontier labs will dominate the Desktop / Web.
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