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AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by Daz912 »

imiric wrote: post #42
pickleglitch wrote: post #33

The top 40 has always been riddled with garbage, in my opinion, but at least real, human musicians were making a living from their art.

The top 40 has rarely been about "art", though. The music there is highly formulaic and derivative, whose creators know well how to produce music that appeals to the masses. The effect of this "AI" trend is that now humans with no musical background or experience can flood the medium, making it much more difficult for anyone to make a living from it, whether they're an artist or not.

No, back when there were actual musicians playing actual instruments the top 40 was legitimate art

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Post by Gagarin1917 »

chromacity wrote: post #115

I find the production and consumption of AI music to be uniquely... anti-human. You can make utilitarian arguments for most other uses of AI. For example, the code you're generating didn't exist before, and it would take serious time or money to write it. So, I get it, the economic argument is compelling enough. But music? There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next…

>But music? There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next to nothing.

Isn’t this an argument against all new music, even human made?

Either we have it all already, or there’s room for new things that we haven’t heard before.

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Post by gilrain »

smallerfish wrote: post #120
chromacity wrote: post #115

I find the production and consumption of AI music to be uniquely... anti-human. You can make utilitarian arguments for most other uses of AI. For example, the code you're generating didn't exist before, and it would take serious time or money to write it. So, I get it, the economic argument is compelling enough. But music? There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next…

Is formulaic pop music produced by a corporate label that's designed to push all the right buttons more "human" than the average track you find published on Suno? I wouldn't say so. Pop music was already to some extent a commodity.

> Pop music was already to some extent a commodity.

And as everyone knows, some commodification of some thing means we must go ahead and totally commodify all the things.

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Post by echelon »

Gagarin1917 wrote: post #122
chromacity wrote: post #115

I find the production and consumption of AI music to be uniquely... anti-human. You can make utilitarian arguments for most other uses of AI. For example, the code you're generating didn't exist before, and it would take serious time or money to write it. So, I get it, the economic argument is compelling enough. But music? There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next…

>But music? There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next to nothing. Isn’t this an argument against all new music, even human made? Either we have it all already, or there’s room for new things that we haven’t heard before.

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Post by marpstar »

maroonblazer wrote: post #106
tzs wrote: post #95

I wonder how well it would work to use AI as a front end to Band-in-a-Box? Band-in-a-Box is a commercial program that has been around since 1990. What it did then was let you specify a chord progression, style, tempo, and instruments and it would make a generate a MIDI track. I think it might have also been able to take a melody and come up with a chord progression for it in a style/genre of your choosing. The target…

> This I've read is made worse because as it has grown in features and capabilities in the 25+ years it has been available the interface has become kind of disjoint. It's impossible to exaggerate how true this is. I often say "BiaB is the best worst software - or should that be 'worst best software'? - I've ever used." A toolbar that crams dozens of tiny icons, almost no visual hierarchy, dated visual style, waaaay t…

These days I'm programming drums on dedicated hardware but Logic Pro's Drummer feature had been immensely helpful for me as a guitarist who hadn't done much drum programming but wanted to play along with interesting drum beats while arranging a song. Just a few options but that's what makes it so approachable. It's helped me keep the song "mine" without the hassle of sourcing loops/samples manually, even if only temporarily.

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Post by lotyrin »

gilrain wrote: post #123
smallerfish wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is formulaic pop music produced by a corporate label that's designed to push all the right buttons more "human" than the average track you find published on Suno? I wouldn't say so. Pop music was already to some extent a commodity.

> Pop music was already to some extent a commodity. And as everyone knows, some commodification of some thing means we must go ahead and totally commodify all the things.

Also, a lot of the people who hate and resist AI slop also hate and resist corpo slop, we're just outnumbered.

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Post by userbinator »

daemonologist wrote: post #46

It's interesting to me that all AI music sounds slightly sibilant - like someone taped a sheet of paper to the speaker or covered my head in dry leaves. I know no model is perfect but I'd have thought they'd have ironed out this problem by now, given how pervasive it is and how significantly it degrades the end product.

Perhaps this is what the human is for - to apply an EQ curve.

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Post by falkensmaize »

greedo wrote: post #104
tzs wrote: post #95

I wonder how well it would work to use AI as a front end to Band-in-a-Box? Band-in-a-Box is a commercial program that has been around since 1990. What it did then was let you specify a chord progression, style, tempo, and instruments and it would make a generate a MIDI track. I think it might have also been able to take a melody and come up with a chord progression for it in a style/genre of your choosing. The target…

I remember watching a youtube video that was kind of a Star Wars fan fic. It had a great soundtrack, that was a cross between John Williams and Michael Giacchino. The YouTuber was using some commercial program that included samples of all the orchestral instruments and you could use it to compose lush scores. I never used it since it was expensive, but I always dreamed of tools like that, like GarageBand on steroids…

There is a whole world of expensive virtual samples instruments that can very convincingly replicate an orchestral performance in a DAW. See Spitfire Audio, EastWest, Cinesamples, etc.

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Post by zahlman »

tzs wrote: post #95

I wonder how well it would work to use AI as a front end to Band-in-a-Box? Band-in-a-Box is a commercial program that has been around since 1990. What it did then was let you specify a chord progression, style, tempo, and instruments and it would make a generate a MIDI track. I think it might have also been able to take a melody and come up with a chord progression for it in a style/genre of your choosing. The target…

> I wonder how well it would work to use AI as a front end to Band-in-a-Box?

Wow, I haven't heard that name since... well, since the software was relatively new.

I do like the idea of an AI music tool that lets you have that kind of workflow, choosing a level of granularity (and, presumably, being able to edit the intermediate results etc.).

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