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In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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They're coming for the jobs immigrants would be taking if the Japanese government weren't so xenophobic.

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> They look at what happens to people that aren't xenophobic and they don't want that.

They did sakoku before the technological means that would even allow them to see this was a thing. It's baked deep in the culture.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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post #16

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I don't know what's more crushing, not having a job, or knowing deep-down that there is a machine that can trivially do your job. If I was made to lamp street lamps 5 years after incandescent street lights were invented, while not working on any way forward, I'd probably fall into a deep existential crisis.

I think that nihilistic sentiment arises only when you are materially satisfied, maybe in the 90s and 00s (like office workers in Fight Club or Office Space). Many of us are in survival mode now. We just need money to keep up with inflation. We don't have time to think about the deep meaning of life.

"Survival mode" is quite an overstatement of current conditions for most people in most of the West. Prices have risen, but people aren't in as rough of a position as 2008, 1970's stagflation, or certainly the great depression.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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post #111

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> Grunting out 2.6 babies before you’re 35. * destroying your body, stripping your bones, getting diabetes and temporarily (or permanently) disabling yourself with issues no healthcare provider will take seriously for decades to come for 2.6 babies in your youth. ––– Someone called this a "belief." There's a 10% to 4% probability that the average teenage girl will die from childbirth, given the cumulative risk of pre…

This happens, but it's not representative. Interesting belief, it seems like it should be self-extinguishing, the cultures that don't believe this kind of thing will tend to take over over time.

Most women have watched someone go through a difficult pregnancy in their lives before they hit 20. It's not a "belief" for the people who live through it.

People used to die – frequently – from this "belief." And women still do.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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post #111

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This happens, but it's not representative. Interesting belief, it seems like it should be self-extinguishing, the cultures that don't believe this kind of thing will tend to take over over time.

Most of the world is below replacement rate (~2.1 TFR), the rest will get there in a decade or two. Educated, empowered women delay having children, have less children, or no children. Holds across both developed and developing countries. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/15/5-facts-a... https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jesusfv/Slides_London.pdf https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/mapped-countries-by-fert...

The world, yes, but specific niches no. Look at the Mormons, or Nigeria, or Somalis in America at 3x the US birthrate.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Most of the world is below replacement rate (~2.1 TFR), the rest will get there in a decade or two. Educated, empowered women delay having children, have less children, or no children. Holds across both developed and developing countries. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/15/5-facts-a... https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jesusfv/Slides_London.pdf https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/mapped-countries-by-fert...

The world, yes, but specific niches no. Look at the Mormons, or Nigeria, or Somalis in America at 3x the US birthrate.

Latter-day Saints are having fewer children. Church officials are taking note - https://www.npr.org/2025/10/31/nx-s1-5535654/latter-day-sain... - October 31st, 2025

> Dallin H. Oaks, the newly appointed prophet and president of the church, said that while birth rates within the church are higher than national numbers, they've still declined "significantly."

> Catholic University of America demographer Stephen Cranney crunched the numbers on the religion's families. In 2008, about 70% of Latter-day Saint women ages 18-45 had at least one child at home. In 2022, that number was 59%, a rate of decline mirrored in the American population at large.

Any uptick in birth rate in the US from first generation immigrants quickly reverts to the mean for subsequent generations.

The Fertility of Immigrants and Natives in the United States, 2023 - https://cis.org/Report/Fertility-Immigrants-and-Natives-Unit... - May 1st, 2025

Reproductive freedom (or rather, freedom from reproduction, and its costs and burdens) is culturally contagious.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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post #10

Meanwhile in the US they're replacing artists, writers, and teachers

I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. From: https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238 As a species, we need to evaluate our attitudes to work. The quote above resonates at some level, but maybe there are some people who enjoy doing dishes and laundry, who knows. Most people are just surviving. It is…

The funny thing is that dishes and laundry are already automated and people are still complaining about them.

Do we need a humaniform robot to move the clothes from the washer to the dryer? Maybe we just need smarter appliances.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

#128

Japan is in a demographic decline. They need all the robots they can get.

All developed countries are in demographic decline (ex immigration), and need automation/robotics. There's only so many immigrants you can import before you lose your country's identity.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

#129
post #110

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Can you share some other signs you think may indicate it rising as a powerhouse? Living in Japan, I am interested what others see. Regarding immigration, Japan is actually making it a lot stricter now. Not sure how that will play out.

Miti is basically a second government with real power, finance and expertise, and they appear to bet on the correct things, it should have happened earlier but from what I have seen they are moving faster than EU on the semiconductor and robotics fronts.

You mean "METI"? METI is your key driver?

You're really overselling their capabilities.

See the "lost decades" or most recently, the hundreds of billions deployed for the failed hydrogen initiatives.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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post #5

"No one wants" usually includes an insufficient wage, sometimes also an issue of insufficient investment in training for skilled folks. eg if you need a doctor in 12 years you have to start more or less today. A quick google suggests ~18% of their working age people do not have jobs, which naturally could be shifted by incentives like money or training. (Edit, because people are confused, I'm not talking about unempl…

Even tho you added an edit. You’re still wrong. Garbage collection is typically a high paying job because no one wants to do it. But people still consider it “below” them and don’t want to do it even when there’s a high unemployment rate.

I don't know if I would call it high pay anywhere ive lived. It is okay pay around me right now in a less prosperous area of the country for not requiring tools or previous skills. But the main thing going for it around here is stability of hours, a decent amount of holidays off, and you don't have to destroy your body.
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