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The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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We should make a website outside the US for posting drone footage of ICE anonymously.

Put it in Sweden[0]. At least you'd have de jure source protection. [0]: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Källskydd

Yes, but this is in effect since 2023:

> Proposed new law could see Swedish media prosecuted for espionage

> Swedish media outlets who uncover news which damages Sweden's relations abroad could be charged with spying, if a controversial law gets the go-ahead.

https://www.thelocal.se/20171207/new-law-could-see-swedish-m...

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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The right is rising all across European countries that have all of these things.

You think they have these things, but they don't. I am theoretically eligible to get 60% of my income for 3 months after losing my job, while I look for my new job. But if I actually try to claim that, they demand so many documents and meetings that it's not actually practical to receive that benefit. The only people who can receive benefits are the people who are experts at navigating the benefit system. For instanc…

That's perfect, actually! We should do that in France, so only people who actually need the money will make the effort.

As is, we have some middle class "hippies" finding ways to backpack travel across the world on the taxpayers' dime.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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When I am a fascist, I warrant being chucked into the sea. As far as I'm aware, I am not a fascist, even though actual fascists like to call everyone they disagree with a fascist and call for their execution. That's the real problem: Fascists copy tactics, and most people are shallow. If you can call someone a fascist and murder them, fascists quickly learn to call everyone who isn't a fascist a fascist and murder th…

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Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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IANAL but mens rea is a serious consideration here. A prosecutor would have to prove that you have knowingly and wilfully committed the crime in order to be convicted, so unmarked cars are in practice out of scope. I think the main implication is that you won't be able to use any drone recordings for legal action against ICE unless you can prove that you recorded from further than 3,000 feet (one hell of a camera) or…

> A prosecutor would have to prove that you have knowingly and wilfully committed the crime in order to be convicted Why can't I just say "I didn't know I was speeding, prove I did it wilfully"

Prosecutors don't have to "prove" things, they have to convince a jury. If your defense seems implausible a jury probably won't buy it.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

I thought it was to simply throw fascists into the sea. Simple Effective Affordable Ethical

I'm sorry this the this kind of (far-left) political comment that usually starts the argument from 'basic human decency' and gets to calls for mass murder in the span of a sentece or two is as hilarious as it is sad :(.

And unfortunately very common. I'm not sure what you think when posting this, but this wont endear people to your ideas.

I'm sure there are communities where this is a standard stance that gets cheered, which I'm sure a lot of people would find quite concerning.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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post #110

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Representation in the house is supposed to be proportional to population. Unfortunately that's no longer the case and we should fix that. Yammering on about unequal representation in the senate as though it's some great injustice is either partisan or ignorant. The senate was never supposed to provide representation relative to population and attempting to game the system by subdividing certain states but not others…

> attempting to game the system by subdividing certain states but not others Oh, so you're against sneaky "some but not others" schemes? Great! Me too! So why are you going the opposite direction? You're supporting a status-quo where a partisan bloc on the federal level can already go: "It's OK for Florida, but prohibited for New-York", or vice-versa. You're opposing something that'd fix the-thing-you-hate by giving…

I'm supporting a status quo that was voluntarily and very intentionally entered into by our predecessors.

You are arguing that the current arrangement is somehow a "quirk" and that we should attempt a legally dubious end run around the constitution. It's a self serving line of reasoning directly equivalent to packing the supreme court.

> You're opposing something that'd fix the-thing-you-hate

What is this thing I hate exactly? Because I very much support the way the senate and house were set up originally prior to the house being frozen. I think that the disproportionate representation is a good thing provided that state's rights are respected and thus we really are a union rather than a monolithic whole. Unfortunately there are a number of issues in that regard such as the rampant abuse of the interstate commerce clause; I think we should try to fix those things rather than abandon the system.

For the record I'm not opposed to the subdivision or agglomeration of states in the event that there is a direct and legitimate reason for it. But such a reason must convincingly hinge on the internal politics of the state itself as opposed to being an end run around the constitution because a segment of the population doesn't like the way the system was intentionally designed to work.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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As someone outside of the USA, and who visited for some time a couple of decades ago and bathed in it's relative freedoms ... reading the discussion here and some of the comments almost makes me weep...

You're already living on the doorstep of fascism. Contemplating the right-thing-wrong-think of it all dressed up as legal debate. A discussion and debate you'll likely never fully and truly conclude for obvious reasons.

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Flying a drone within 1/2 mile of ICE vehicles, which may be unmarked, is illegal? You can be flying a drone and if an unmarked ICE vehicle drives close enough, without warning, you have now broken serious FAA laws? This isn’t the kind of restriction that gets passed when the people making the rules care about being fair or consistent. It’s a power grab.

The NOTAM reads: "ALL UNMANNED ACFT ARE PROHIBITED FROM FLYING WITHIN A STAND-OFF DISTANCE OF 3000FT LATERALLY AND 1000FT ABOVE." That is somewhat narrowly defined. I'm sure you can still effectively film them from 1100ft. further: "FACILITIES AND MOBILE ASSETS, INCLUDING VESSELS AND GROUND VEHICLE CONVOYS AND THEIR ASSOCIATED ESCORTS" I think you'd easily beat this language in court. "Please show us where 'mobile as…

> I'm sure you can still effectively film them from 1100ft.

But also having to be 3000ft laterally which gives you a distance of about 3160ft which is probably beyond the useful camera range of most consumer drones?

Re: The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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How does this work if they are not clearly defined on a map? Usually TFRs are shown on drone maps so you know where you can fly. If I am flying my drone and an unmarked ICE vehicle drives within half a mile am I in trouble?

yep. the disconnect you're feeling comes from thinking you're living within the normative state, when in fact you're under the prerogative state: > The dual state is a model in which the functioning of a state is divided into a normative state, which operates according to set rules and regulations, and a prerogative state, "which exercises unlimited arbitrariness and violence unchecked by any legal guarantees". https…

I'd argue all top down states are "prerogative"... and "normative" is merely a temporary alignment of expectations and exercised power
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