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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by Deeds67 »

59nadir wrote: post #116
vanrohan wrote: post #112

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I know LLM generated code comes with it's own challenges, but the absolutists are definitely clinging to a time that has passed. I saw a recent discussion on Immich where a maintainer flatout denied a PR saying "That diff looks LLM-generated to me; is that indeed the case? If so, we'd prefer not to receive a PR for it" The PR was from a professional software engineer, who worked weeks of his free time on a big featur…

"Well structured + tested". Who would know? The diff is almost 200k changed lines. Good on them for saying no to this nonsense. There's a good chance the actual needed implementation is less than 20k lines (I've found that LLM bloat grows exponentially), but even that's a stretch to review and accept wholesale.

I'm the person working on that fork. Yes, it has now diverged 200k+ lines, but half of that is specs, research and documentation and includes a month worth of work.

The comment in question was a small feature of about 1.5k lines changed and it was solidly tested.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by 59nadir »

Deeds67 wrote: post #121
59nadir wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Well structured + tested". Who would know? The diff is almost 200k changed lines. Good on them for saying no to this nonsense. There's a good chance the actual needed implementation is less than 20k lines (I've found that LLM bloat grows exponentially), but even that's a stretch to review and accept wholesale.

I'm the person working on that fork. Yes, it has now diverged 200k+ lines, but half of that is specs, research and documentation and includes a month worth of work. The comment in question was a small feature of about 1.5k lines changed and it was solidly tested.

Eh, fair enough. 1.5k is reasonable. Have you tried just writing it yourself instead? It's likely it'll be less than 1k lines and you should have no problems writing an implementation yourself if you understand the structure of the LLM version.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

siva7 wrote: post #113
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #20

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> Check a larger thread. It is pretty clear It tends to get downvoted and flagged.

I got a pretty interesting ai detection demo run through historic HN data, would love to see if HN could make use of this tech for HN. But i have no clue how to reach out or who might be a contact here.

Make it into a browser extension. Or, honestly, just a page with outputs and a tip jar. If there are interesting findings, highlight them-maybe blog about it and post that.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by duskdozer »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #60

If you enjoy comedy, you should check the status of subreddits like /r/selfhosted or /r/homelab, etc. I find them interesting because they are on the edge of computers pro-users and software developers. Used to be a nice community Now it’s people sharing AI apps that look exactly like other AI apps that they have never heard of [1] Project rise then implode hilariously in a month [2] An ebook management project that…

Not to worry, the security problems were patched out (with the help of "grumpy-AI", of course): https://gitlab.com/g33kphr33k/musicgrabber/-/commit/a1cb0c0e...

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by Deeds67 »

59nadir wrote: post #122
Deeds67 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the person working on that fork. Yes, it has now diverged 200k+ lines, but half of that is specs, research and documentation and includes a month worth of work. The comment in question was a small feature of about 1.5k lines changed and it was solidly tested.

Eh, fair enough. 1.5k is reasonable. Have you tried just writing it yourself instead? It's likely it'll be less than 1k lines and you should have no problems writing an implementation yourself if you understand the structure of the LLM version.

Why would I write it myself? I use Claude code 12 hours a day and I'm really confident with want I'm able to build with it. I use it at work with incredible results. Spec driven development with harnessing is super powerful, I'll never be writing large features hy hand again.

Look at what I'm able to achieve in my free time after work https://opennoodle.de

Would've never had the time without my army of agents

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by huhkerrf »

csin wrote: post #105
simianwords wrote: post #27

There’s something off about Reddit. Either I grew up or it became hollow from within. Just angry people scolding each other all the time. There are some true gems however but usually in smaller focused subreddits.

It was inevitable given it's a top 7 most popular site. The reality is, the masses, the real world, the average person. Is an asshole. It doesn't reflect in the real world, because people learn to hide their assholeness at a very early age (Or they learn how to get punched in the face). On an anonymous forum. You don't have to hide your assholeness. Frankly it's amazing the site never devolved into 4chan. I attribute…

While that may be true, there's a certain personality attached to reddit power users that is particularly odious.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by singularity2001 »

balgg wrote: post #76
jyrkesh wrote: post #44

I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

I use LLMs yet I don't care to read about them or their usage at all. I can certainly see the reason why a place called "/r/programming" wouldn't want to have discussion about agent usage either, since it's not programming, it's a different activity.

If you use them, you should care because there is always something one can learn about things we use.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by tasuki »

yoz-y wrote: post #61

Good decision. AI programming is fundamentally different from programming and as such the discussions merit to have separate forums. If r/programming wants to be the one solely focusing on programming then power to them. Discussing both in combination also makes sense, but the value of reddit is having a subreddit for anything and “just programming” should be on the list.

They're not banning "AI programming": just specifically large language models.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by huhkerrf »

minhaz23 wrote: post #24
BoredPositron wrote: post #15

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Ignorance isn't bliss. They never had a downturn yoy in their userbase yet.

But hasnt it gone down in quality with broader mainstream appeal, more ai slop, and just general self promotion? I feel like a lot of niche communities have also lost their core or original user bases that are not as active any more or it could just be me? For example off the top of my head not digging too deep, r/juststart used to be very high signal and strongly moderated but now not so much. But, on the other hand…

I'm not sure how you can claim that going more mainstream would decrease the quality of a site that gave us "we did it reddit!" and "the bacon narwhals at midnight".

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by huhkerrf »

lelanthran wrote: post #63
gorgoiler wrote: post #19

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Worse, I am repeatedly being accused nowadays of being an LLM. It probably doesn’t help that I riff-write with only a rough outline of what I want to say, not how to say it. If the accusation is that I am an inference engine pumping out words based on a trailing context window then I am guilty as charged. It’s just that I run on Fe + C6H12O6 + O2 (a bloodstream charged with lunch and air) instead of y/C/N2 -> Si+e- (…

> If the accusation is that I am an inference engine pumping out words based on a trailing context window then I am guilty as charged. It’s just that I run on Fe + C6H12O6 + O2 (a bloodstream charged with lunch and air) instead of y/C/N2 -> Si+e- (sunlight, coal, and wind turned into silicon electrons.) This sort of tells me that you are pro-LLM, and most pro-LLM people mostly paste the contents of their ChatGPT outp…

I think you're proving OP's point.
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