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Post by aogaili »

gambiting wrote: post #116
aogaili wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't understand my point. I said in the future (not now) the world might trend to having wars similar to those of playing video games. And I said this might be better because we just give politicians another medium for conflict resolution. But you downvoted the idea, so you either don't like it or didn't understand. I assumed you understood it, but it seems you didn't

>>We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable. I downvoted because I don't find this quoted sentence true, realistic or even remotely plausible. I will repeat for the 4th time now that I don't understand why you seem to think that downvoting you means supporti…

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Post by rasz »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #89
aprentic wrote: post #34

Reading between the lines of the article it seems advanced but not too surprising. I assume that at night when it "withdrew to a covered location" there was opportunity for maintenance, battery swaps, etc. The article says that it successfully carried out "multiple calls for fire." That sounds like over those 45 days there were multiple missions to provide suppressive fire. They're not explicit about what that means…

I believe the movie Aliens (1986) has one of the best movie uses of auto turrets.

Sourcing enough functioning GRID laptops might pose a challenge

https://github.com/tschak909/UA571C

https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/grid-os-developmen...

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by jimjimjim »

aogaili wrote: post #78
aogaili wrote: post #68

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Yes, but it not like before. We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable. So it is NOT like before. And the logical conclusion, as those drones get better and more widely adopted, is that war will be nothing more a video game with real economics and supply cha…

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I choose option 3, in favor of downvoting and at the same time not advocating for the old way.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

jimjimjim wrote: post #123
aogaili wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I choose option 3, in favor of downvoting and at the same time not advocating for the old way.

So what are you advocating? you either vote a better future or want to keep what we currently have.

You either agree with the future I suggest or disagree, or you think it won't happen and you would then have to argue why.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

watwut wrote: post #114
aogaili wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it not like before. We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable. So it is NOT like before. And the logical conclusion, as those drones get better and more widely adopted, is that war will be nothing more a video game with real economics and supply cha…

Ukrainian invasion was attempt at genocide and colonization. Israel did anoyher genocide last year. And then there is yemen which may not be genocide, I dunno, but has super high unchecked amount of victims. Saudi made sure no one is watching. And they all get away with it.

Today yes, unfortunately.

But my argument is for the future that we are starting to get a glimpses of. I'm not negating the currently genocides, I'm hoping for a future in which we don't have war at all due to the absurdly of it. And I'm arguing that there is a path forward and it is very realistic.

You missed my point, please read my other comments.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by tim333 »

aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

Ideally you'd have some sort of diplomatic solution and no war. But these things don't always pan out.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

tim333 wrote: post #127
aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

Ideally you'd have some sort of diplomatic solution and no war. But these things don't always pan out.

Agreed.

Unfortunately, diplomatic conflict resolution is prone to failures and the cost of failure is really really high.

What Iran is doing is telling the empire that their war has a cost on their economy and reputation. And the only reason they are able to do so is because of drones/missiles (basically automated Kamikaze pilots) and I would also argue GenAI since they producing a lot of PR videos which used be expensive to make. If Iran had to fight the war with their people, US would have won due to the imbalance of destructive power.

In other words, we are witnessing a new kind of system for conflict resolution. Not war and not diplomacy. More of drones/AI/robotics systems hitting economies while trying to avoid human life losses in order to win the narrative war. This no where similar to any war of the past. The key change is waging wars without people, i.e the automation of warfare. Which is closer to a video game than traditional wars.

But people think of my statement as reductionist to the current causalities, which is not my point, obviously we are far from having fully automated warfare but we are seeing the first generation. The closest example is the fight between Iran/UAE basically a network of digital systems defending against another.

And if my reasoning hold, we might end up in a more peaceful earth.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by conception »

aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

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