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Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by parasti »

elorant wrote: post #115
apitman wrote: post #32

> Social media was supposed to connect us, but most of it has turned into ads, division, and loneliness. I'm betting on ATProto as a way to fix that I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Some of the most toxic convers…

In the old days of the Internet where everyone was pretty much anonymous you were exposed to a reality where anyone could prove you wrong. You spent a few years online you grew accustomed of the idea that there are people there much more knowledgeable than you. It didn’t bother you that much to be wrong because everyone is wrong on something and this shaped your tolerance. You enter the social media now and that tole…

That's not it. Flame wars are as old as the internet. The quality of discourse has plummeted largely due to these factors: 1) democratization of access to an audience and 2) engagement maximization algorithms. Anyone with a hot take can post it, get people angry fast, at which point the engagement maximization algorithm picks it up and carries it far and wide.

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Post by teddyh »

davidw wrote: post #71
apitman wrote: post #32

> Social media was supposed to connect us, but most of it has turned into ads, division, and loneliness. I'm betting on ATProto as a way to fix that I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Some of the most toxic convers…

> I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Larry Wall said, way back in the 1990ies, "The social dynamics of the net are a direct consequence of the fact that nobody has yet developed a Remote Strangulation Protocol." Wh…

I always disliked this take, but I struggled to explain why, until I found this: https://www.butajape.com/comic/say-it-to-my-face/>

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by teddyh »

conception wrote: post #60
pastel8739 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This _isn’t_ the core mechanism of social media. When social media took off, Facebook and Instagram that really did allow you to connect with people that you knew from real life. Twitter was different, and more like microblogging, but I still see the real value of social media to be what the un-shitty versions of Facebook and Instagram were.

Twitter was amazing, not because of people microblogging about breakfast, but because it gave people/companies/orgs a way to interact directly with their audience. If you want to know what Kix cereal had to say - you could follow Kix.

[Crab] silence, brand

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Post by prox »

dethos wrote: post #116
apitman wrote: post #32

> Social media was supposed to connect us, but most of it has turned into ads, division, and loneliness. I'm betting on ATProto as a way to fix that I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Some of the most toxic convers…

> If there's a healthy future for socializing on the internet, I think it will happen in small communities. Bingo. Not a big (or even a small) user of social media. But small, focused communities are where I see it bring the most value for the user. They are also where I've seen the most interesting initiatives since the 90s. The rest is just influential "people" broadcasting their content.

Content and opinions that change like the weather, just for clicks and engagement. It’s a long way from integrity and responsibility from these influencers.

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Post by blactuary »

xdennis wrote: post #40
blactuary wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a nazi website. Before I left they started allowing people to call me the n-word

Wasn't it always allowed? It's very common on https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/

why isn't there a white history month amirite

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by BoredPositron »

pastel8739 wrote: post #59
apitman wrote: post #32

> Social media was supposed to connect us, but most of it has turned into ads, division, and loneliness. I'm betting on ATProto as a way to fix that I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Some of the most toxic convers…

This _isn’t_ the core mechanism of social media. When social media took off, Facebook and Instagram that really did allow you to connect with people that you knew from real life. Twitter was different, and more like microblogging, but I still see the real value of social media to be what the un-shitty versions of Facebook and Instagram were.

No brand wants real interaction with their customer base. They want feel good anecdotes and memes.

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Post by 8organicbits »

gzread wrote: post #51
manifoldgeo wrote: post #22

I'd be curious to see how ATProto stacks up against ActivityPub in the long run. I was very excited by the prospects of Mastodon, PeerTube, and a few other Fediverse apps. I even started implementing my own ActivityPub library based on their RFC before I fizzled out. But, the Fediverse never really seemed to take off in the mainstream. Mozilla launched their own mastodon instance around 2023 and then closed it in 202…

FYI the activitypub RFC won't actually help you. What you have to do is copy how Mastodon actually communicates with other copies of itself. If you base your work on the RFC, it won't actually communicate with Mastodon or with all the other software that pretends to be Mastodon.

What incompatibilities do you know about?

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Post by mmstghjx »

davidw wrote: post #71
apitman wrote: post #32

> Social media was supposed to connect us, but most of it has turned into ads, division, and loneliness. I'm betting on ATProto as a way to fix that I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Some of the most toxic convers…

> I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Larry Wall said, way back in the 1990ies, "The social dynamics of the net are a direct consequence of the fact that nobody has yet developed a Remote Strangulation Protocol." Wh…

Bingo. The Internet turns the other person into an abstraction.

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by mmstghjx »

marak830 wrote: post #95
davidw wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I disagree with the premise here. I think the core mechanics of social media, ie instant communication between random strangers about random topics, creates toxic interactions regardless of whether it's manipulated by engagement algorithms. Larry Wall said, way back in the 1990ies, "The social dynamics of the net are a direct consequence of the fact that nobody has yet developed a Remote Strangulation Protocol." Wh…

Agreed. We can either use our real names (bad plan IMHO) or deal with the fact that without the consequences of our actions, there are a lot of arseholes around. Moderation is the answer, I think there's no way around that. HN show's that it can be done well, reddit show's that it can be done badly. Twitter show's what happens when it's not done (yes I'm being a little extreme there).

Real names didn't stop people from being arseholes on Facebook. They did lose a lot of friends, but they also found like minded friends, so kind of a wash.
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