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Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by gib444 »

plorg wrote: post #16

My local county is currently in a dispute with the local bar association because they want to upgrade the courthouse security cameras and the sheriff wants to add audio capabilities. This includes to parts of the building just outside the courtroom that counsel will frequently use for brief asides with their clients (due to lack of other private rooms). The county seems to favor adding the microphones and pinky swear…

CCTV with audio is a line that should not be crossed, but as there tech is there, they just can't resist

Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by justkys »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #76

I had my first interaction with someone wearing Meta(I assume) glasses and it was very disconcerting. Ironically I was collecting my new (non-smart) glasses and it was the employee I was interacting with. I really wanted to ask for someone else to deal with me but since there has been no furore this time around (my how times have changed since Goggle Glass) I decided not to risk a scene

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Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by guzfip »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #106
hau wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On-board NN moderates all interactions. Moral NN core must be updated montlhy to support latest moral and legal checks by NN. This core reports when you are doing something suspicious. State, municipal, border and patrol random checks for proper attestation of implants. Of course manufacture and installation of such implants is licensed and tightly regulated. Think of children. It's not very different from smartphone…

> On-board NN moderates all interactions. Moral NN core must be updated montlhy to support latest moral and legal checks by NN. This core reports when you are doing something suspicious. This module is formally called "conscience" and fortunately, at this time, is securely sandboxed to not directly communicate with any device or service outside of the body.

Thankfully Silicon Valley discovered you can be so much more productive by removing the conscience as well as the soul.

Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by justkys »

qha34h wrote: post #8

I don't see how these glasses are legal at all. While filming in public places is allowed in the US, commercial use of that material is not. For example, you cannot just use public material with recognizable people in advertisements without their consent. Meta is likely to use material from these spy devices to build real world networks and use it commercially. These "glasses" should be outlawed. The only useful purp…

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Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by Suzuran »

paxys wrote: post #17
bryan0 wrote: post #6

Serious question: what will happen when people start getting implants? They’ll probably require some sort of off mode, but not sure how that would be enforced.

It's already impossible to stop someone from recording if they are really determined. Pen cameras, button cameras and all sorts of miniature devices exist and can be snuck through very easily. You enforce the restriction by prosecuting people who upload the footage.

The problem is punishing the uploader doesn't remove the upload. Once the public has it, it has it forever. It doesn't un-contaminate a jury pool, and there's no later retraction if whatever that was uploaded is found to be lacking context, false, or outright fabricated. Once that kind of damage is done, it can't be un-done.

Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by megabless123 »

paxys wrote: post #17
bryan0 wrote: post #6

Serious question: what will happen when people start getting implants? They’ll probably require some sort of off mode, but not sure how that would be enforced.

It's already impossible to stop someone from recording if they are really determined. Pen cameras, button cameras and all sorts of miniature devices exist and can be snuck through very easily. You enforce the restriction by prosecuting people who upload the footage.

> You enforce the restriction by prosecuting people who upload the footage.

but this is impossible to guarantee as well

Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by giantg2 »

plorg wrote: post #16

My local county is currently in a dispute with the local bar association because they want to upgrade the courthouse security cameras and the sheriff wants to add audio capabilities. This includes to parts of the building just outside the courtroom that counsel will frequently use for brief asides with their clients (due to lack of other private rooms). The county seems to favor adding the microphones and pinky swear…

There should be no safety reason to require audio. The only reason for audio is later use for prosecution.

It's not just that they don't want to piss off the lawyers. If they don't provide a private location, then they may be forced to take continuances and recesses so those conversations can happen elsewhere as a condition of not infringing on the constitutional right to effective counsel.

Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by TeMPOraL »

emptybits wrote: post #39
root_axis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's so far into the future that we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

On the audio side, it's not a stretch to imagine cochlear implants (or hearing aids) having an undetectable recording ability.

AFAIK some wireless buds can work as better hearing aids, they just don't have the medical device label to officially perform that function.

Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by hau »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #106
hau wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On-board NN moderates all interactions. Moral NN core must be updated montlhy to support latest moral and legal checks by NN. This core reports when you are doing something suspicious. State, municipal, border and patrol random checks for proper attestation of implants. Of course manufacture and installation of such implants is licensed and tightly regulated. Think of children. It's not very different from smartphone…

> On-board NN moderates all interactions. Moral NN core must be updated montlhy to support latest moral and legal checks by NN. This core reports when you are doing something suspicious. This module is formally called "conscience" and fortunately, at this time, is securely sandboxed to not directly communicate with any device or service outside of the body.

This is dangerous terrorist version you are talking about. People can not be trusted with choosing their own conscience, that's how you get terrorists and pedophiles. Remotely attested module is trusted by democratic authority, not using it is basically admiting intention to hurt fellow citizens.

Re: Philly courts will ban all smart eyeglasses starting next week

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Post by TeMPOraL »

hau wrote: post #129
TeMPOraL wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On-board NN moderates all interactions. Moral NN core must be updated montlhy to support latest moral and legal checks by NN. This core reports when you are doing something suspicious. This module is formally called "conscience" and fortunately, at this time, is securely sandboxed to not directly communicate with any device or service outside of the body.

This is dangerous terrorist version you are talking about. People can not be trusted with choosing their own conscience, that's how you get terrorists and pedophiles. Remotely attested module is trusted by democratic authority, not using it is basically admiting intention to hurt fellow citizens.

Drop the democratic, and you just invented crypto-church.
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