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When do we become adults, really?

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Re: When do we become adults, really?

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I always felt slightly more adult as I got older but I didn't really feel it until after my daughter was born. Then the weight of real responsibility hits and your perspective changes. It's one of those things that you need to experience to understand.

I see a lot of comments saying similar. It's almost like we should have 3 stages instead of child -> adult. Someone else responsible for you -> Responsible for yourself -> Responsible for others. You could argue that's childhood, adolescence, adulthood. I would be inclined to agree with the caveat that adolescence extends to much older than 18 or even 22 years.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

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I always felt slightly more adult as I got older but I didn't really feel it until after my daughter was born. Then the weight of real responsibility hits and your perspective changes. It's one of those things that you need to experience to understand. I see a lot of comments saying similar. It's almost like we should have 3 stages instead of child -> adult. Someone else responsible for you -> Responsible for yoursel…

>adolescence extends to much older than 18 or even 22 years

Adolescence extends to a few years past when you start being treated like an adult, for some it can be extended almost indefinitely.

People increasingly want to delay being treated like an adult until after a person has reached the full maturity of an adult not realizing those two things are linked.

The transition of this happening too early or too late leads to many mental illnesses where your brain is being wired to expect and react to the world incorrectly and when most of the rewiring is done you're somewhat stuck with what you've got. (If you're pampered and protected for too long you can't handle anything but that the rest of your life, if you face adult challenges too early you develop maladaptive strategies to cope with things you can't handle, etc.)

The "25 year old adolescent" is a troubling development.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

#123

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I’m interested in your experience. I injected a “second youth” into my life when I was around 30. I found myself having saved an incredible amount and as my above post implied I had my nose to the grindstone from 16-30. I spent a few years traveling the country, learned guitar and piano, went to massage school, produced music, had some brief affairs, worked at a beeswax candle factory, bartended, partied with drugs f…

Out of curiosity, what did you segue into from the second youth, or are you still in it? Those phases seem fun but potentially hard to get out of, either because you don't want to or because you've lost the legibility that employers and potentially love interests want.

Electrician. It’s not as sexy but I’m pretty sure I’ll still be doing it 20 years from now

Re: When do we become adults, really?

#125

I'm 51 now and I feel like I will never be an adult. Looking around I see a lot of broken people, each in their own peculiar ways. Everyone has some coping mechanisms, triggers, and behaviours rooted in childhood. I don't see it in a bad light, I think it is just humanity.

> I'm 51 now and I feel like I will never be an adult. Looking around I see a lot of broken people, each in their own peculiar ways.

One becomes an adult when they learn pretty much everyone around them is desperately trying to act as an adult. There are some children that learn this lesson in their childhood, and some that learn it way too late.

There should be a name for the psychological shock everybody experiences when they figure out mum and dad are not, in fact, superheroes or supervillains, but just normal people, sometimes decent, many times a bit pathetic.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

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I have been a parent since I was 15. Officially married and moved on our own at 19. Graduated from the university at 22. Struggled hard-core until about 30 when my career changed and finally kicked off. My wife became an at home mom for our now three kids. It was my 40s when I realized, "oh, others see me as the adult in the room." I joke and say, "i have always been in my 30s," but I do feel a change recently. Very…

may i ask which country/culture you are from? how did you experience becoming a parent so early? coming from europe i find that having kids so early is really looked down upon, but then i moved to china and found that people there get married much earlier than i am used to. but chinese culture has a great support system. having children in your 20s means that grandparents are in their 40s and 50s, and they help you r…

> may i ask which country/culture you are from? how did you experience becoming a parent so early?

Grew up poor in the US with extremely minimal family support, like the kind that kicks you out or has mental health issues. How did we become parents? Well, unprotected sex. Unless you mean how was the experience; in that case, I would not recommend my path. We both came from broken homes and we received little to no family support.

I think you have a point though. My wife and I figured out life together as a team before we were really fully formed individuals. We had so much more energy; I couldn't imagine starting over with kids at 40. The model of young working parents and helpful grandparents and other family makes a lot of sense. Kids in your 20s works well if you have the support.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

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You're still relying on the government for it, or a similar institution. Paying for your own health insurance is insane. I would move out of any country that would force me to do that.

A pension is an earned benefit, part of one's pay package, not a free goodie. Welfare is a free goodie. It's a big difference. Your "free" health care is paid for by you and others. It's so expensive because of that. Healthcare wasn't particularly expensive before the government got involved in it. Modern governments do indeed treat the citizens like children.

I'm not sure you're aware, but this is a very American view of things. A very skewed one. Quite a childish one too. Bit of irony there.

There is a guaranteed pension where I live, it's part of the social contract [1]. And healthcare insurance is much more expensive than public healthcare (both for society and the individual).

[1] https://www.etk.fi/en/finnish-pension-system/pensions/nation...

Good luck living in your capitalist free market paradise. I hope your government stops treating your companies like people and your people like cattle.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

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I live closer to my wife’s side of the family than mine, so I’m more familiar with them.

Out of the dozen plus adults I regularly interact with there, we both only respect one of the “elders” (as in our parents’ generation) as someone I can look up to as an “adult”.

Out of our peers (cousins, siblings, etc.) likewise we only really consider one person as an “adult”.

That’s not to say they’re bad people. They’re all mostly cool people we enjoy hanging out with. But they’re not people we’d have serious life conversations with.

Ironically, as one of two childless couples in the family, I’m sure some of them look at us as “not adults” for no other reason than because we’re not parents. I know there’s a contingent here in HN as well that have expressed the same viewpoint. Also, the aforementioned peer (a cousin) we respect as an adult - is the other childless couple in the family. We, and she (and husband) are independent while the parent couples are still quite visibly dependent socially, emotionally, and even sometimes financially, on the older generation. If anything, our parents have started to depend on us as they grow older, which is a responsibility we happily accept.

Doubly ironic is that more often than not many members of the family come to us (my wife more so) when they need “serious adult advice”. Even the elders.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A pension is an earned benefit, part of one's pay package, not a free goodie. Welfare is a free goodie. It's a big difference. Your "free" health care is paid for by you and others. It's so expensive because of that. Healthcare wasn't particularly expensive before the government got involved in it. Modern governments do indeed treat the citizens like children.

I'm not sure you're aware, but this is a very American view of things. A very skewed one. Quite a childish one too. Bit of irony there. There is a guaranteed pension where I live, it's part of the social contract [1]. And healthcare insurance is much more expensive than public healthcare (both for society and the individual). [1] https://www.etk.fi/en/finnish-pension-system/pensions/nation... Good luck living in your…

> Quite a childish one too.

Self-reliance is adultish, not childish.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

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Call it what you want, but a new life stage begins when we have serious responsibility for another human.

For some this comes early, like a "child" looking after a sick parent. For others (like me) this comes with having children.

My wife and I look back on the years we thought we were adults, because we lived on our own, had jobs and a cat, and chuckle to ourselves at how grown up we thought we were. This type of pretending to be an adult we call "adulting".

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