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A nearly perfect USB cable tester

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Re: A nearly perfect USB cable tester

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Attempting to access treedix.com (the advertised product) gives me > Access Denied > Sorry, you do not currently have the necessary permissions to access this site, or this site may not be available in your region. Are they geoblocking the USA from even viewing their site for some reason?

It's available on Amazon in the US.

Re: A nearly perfect USB cable tester

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I actually purchased one of these as this article has surfaced before. It’s well worth the hype, I used it to audit all my cables (both for home and work) and it’s amazing how many thick and unwieldy cables are actually terrible for data. For example I purchased a pair of B&W Px8 S2 noise cancelling headphones, which boast a DAC if you connect via USB-C directly, the cable it came with though was thick but only rated…

I started buying Belkin TB5 cables which are around $50 a pop. They can easily power a laptop at full load and can stream video at any reasonable resolution/framerate I might need. I've yet to find a need for an NVMe faster than 20 GBps nevermind finding USB4 enclosures, or that the cable supports up to 80. They're also not nearly as chunky as the Dell cables, which are good, but seem to have very rigid shielding. I…

I do something largely similar.

It alleviates the anxiety of knowing what cable does what.

I use Apples Thunderbolt 4 or USB-C cables exclusively: if its white its for charging and low data, if its black its for high data.

I’ve been doing this for a few years, but its really costly as those Apple Thunderbolt cables are crazy expensive.

Re: A nearly perfect USB cable tester

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I had a programmer pushing multi-gig packages to a Meta Quest 3; and it was taking around a minute. He didn’t even think that it could be faster because he assumed the Quest or software was slow and didn’t check. I implored him to try a different cable (after checking cables with the Treedix mentioned in TFA), and the copy went from taking over a minute to about 13s. Its not just normal people confused.

I find some programmers (and this is presumably true of any industry) very narrow in their expertise within technology.

Yeah, most programmers are not curious hackers anymore. They are 9-5 white collar workers with hobbies far outside of programming, systems, hardware, etc. It shows very much as soon as you meet one of them. But, like you said, this is true of any industry.

Oh, and pointy jab: these folks are also, in my opinion/experience, the most eager to vibecode shit. Make of that what you will.

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Oh, they very much do. But like with everything in technology, they can do fuck all about it, so they resign and maybe complain to you occasionally if you're the designated (in)voluntary tech support person for your family and friends. Regular people hate technology, both for how magical and how badly broken it is, but they've long learned they're powerless to change it - nobody listens to their complaints, and the w…

This is true of basically everything. Even trivial home maintenance people will just put up with things being broken most of the time over learning how to fix them.

I've lived in this apartment for about a year and a half. It took me until last week to put up lights over the stairs. I've been walking on the stairs in the dark, some times using my phone as a light.

I'm an electrician.

Re: A nearly perfect USB cable tester

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Most users tend to ignore diagnostic information. "What did the error message say" "I don't know."

This is because error messages have historically been bad, unintelligible, un-actionable, and hard to separate from soft errors that don't actually matter. 'Segmentation fault. Core dumped.' 'Non-fatal error detected. Contact support.' 'An error occurred.' 'An illegal operation was performed.' 'Error 92: Insufficient marmalade.' 'Saving this image as a JPG will not preserve the transparency used in the image. Save an…

30 or so years back, one of the Mac magazines had a customer support quote along these lines:

"I don't understand, it says 'System Error Type 11', and no matter how many times I type 11, nothing happens!"

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Perhaps someday it will earn the same level of importance as charging; iOS 26 calls out slow chargers on their iPhones, so you can run to the Apple Store and buy a fast one! They probably have to weigh potential new hardware sales against added complexity. I have counterpoints too but: I believe they try to protect users’ mental models of their ecosystem (which perhaps I appreciate when I don’t notice, and can’t stan…

> iOS 26 calls out slow chargers on their iPhones, so you can run to the Apple Store and buy a fast one! You jest but that notification (it's been a thing on Android for at least 8 years, and on thinkpads for at least 10) has been very helpful to me. Sometimes the negotiation just fails and being told is helpful. Sometimes the charger lies about its specs and once again it's helpful to have a hint, rather than expect…

This one is pretty simple to do. It requests a voltage and then starts pulling current and monitors the voltage as it increases its current draw. If the voltage goes down, alert the user.

With data speed I think it could be a little more complicated. Like OP was saying it would need access to some level of hardware information where it can see which pins are used by the cable. Since the connection 'speed' is still variable even when you DO have a supported cable.

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I actually purchased one of these as this article has surfaced before. It’s well worth the hype, I used it to audit all my cables (both for home and work) and it’s amazing how many thick and unwieldy cables are actually terrible for data. For example I purchased a pair of B&W Px8 S2 noise cancelling headphones, which boast a DAC if you connect via USB-C directly, the cable it came with though was thick but only rated…

Is there any audio you might play that doesn't fit in 400Mbps?

No. CD audio is 1,4 mbit. Even increasing the temporal and spatial resolution beyond that, which is audiophile nonsense, will never even approach USB 2 speeds.

Re: A nearly perfect USB cable tester

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I find some programmers (and this is presumably true of any industry) very narrow in their expertise within technology.

Yeah, most programmers are not curious hackers anymore. They are 9-5 white collar workers with hobbies far outside of programming, systems, hardware, etc. It shows very much as soon as you meet one of them. But, like you said, this is true of any industry. Oh, and pointy jab: these folks are also, in my opinion/experience, the most eager to vibecode shit. Make of that what you will.

"anymore"? Over a decade ago, a coworker had a path for updating some app's files to a database, and it was taking something like 10 minutes on certain test inputs.

Swore blind it couldn't be improved.

By next morning's stand-up, I'd found it was doing something pointless, confirmed with the CTO that the thing it was doing was genuinely pointless and I'd not missed anything surprising, removed the pointless thing, and gotten the 10 minutes down to 200 milliseconds.

I'm not sure if you're right or wrong about the correlation with vibe-coding here, but I will say that co-workers's code was significantly worse than Claude on the one hand, and that on the other I have managed to convince Codex to recompute an Isochrone map of Berlin at 13 fps in a web browser.

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Yeah, most programmers are not curious hackers anymore. They are 9-5 white collar workers with hobbies far outside of programming, systems, hardware, etc. It shows very much as soon as you meet one of them. But, like you said, this is true of any industry. Oh, and pointy jab: these folks are also, in my opinion/experience, the most eager to vibecode shit. Make of that what you will.

"anymore"? Over a decade ago, a coworker had a path for updating some app's files to a database, and it was taking something like 10 minutes on certain test inputs. Swore blind it couldn't be improved. By next morning's stand-up, I'd found it was doing something pointless, confirmed with the CTO that the thing it was doing was genuinely pointless and I'd not missed anything surprising, removed the pointless thing, an…

I do feel like the industry has taken a nosedive quality wise over covid in particular. Lots of new people only in tech for the money, no deep idea about computers.

But I know stories like yours from a decade past as well. A tale old as time, but compounding in recent years - IMHO.

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As someone who really doesn't care about learning the details, and just want one USB-C cable that does it ALL to put in my backpack what should I buy ?

I’m sure it’s overkill but I wanted to know how much power my laptop or whatever was actually drawing. https://iaohi.com/products/aohi-the-future-adonis-usb4-2-0-2...

Love this! I got a USB C multimeter and used it to test the output of two dozen chargers. Wanted to see if they supplied the voltage that was advertised. Funny enough, AOHI was the only brand whose chargers actually increased their voltage as my current draw went up. It was like the engineers knew about the resistance in the wire and decided to compensate by upping the voltage slightly.
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