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A Eulogy for Vim

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Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by elif »

elif wrote: post #117
margalabargala wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that is the Minsky comment I mentioned that apparently renders people illiterate and incapable of understanding what they read. What Stallman said is "the people who were trafficked, probably did not tell the people they were trafficked to, that they were being trafficked and were there unwillingly." I don't see how saying that is a "defense of Jeffrey Epstein".

"Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal conversations in recent years, I’ve learned to understand how sex with a child can harm per1 psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why. Children: Humans up t…

or am i "not understanding his meaning" here somehow again?

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by tovej »

cldellow wrote: post #79
omoikane wrote: post #33

The linked reference said: > The maturity of Vim9 script's modern constructs is now being leveraged by advanced AI development tools. Contributor Yegappan Lakshmanan recently demonstrated the efficacy of these new features through two projects generated using GitHub Copilot https://www.vim.org/vim-9.2-released.php#:~:text=The%20matur... I am not sure I understand the author's concern, is he saying that VIM 9.2 is pro…

Buried (IMO) in the post is: > sadly even Vim now comes under scrutiny in that effort as both Vim and NeoVim are relying on LLMs to develop the software. ...where he links to a comment in a closed issue where someone accuses a contributor of using an LLM to generate patches: https://github.com/vim/vim/issues/18800#issuecomment-3568099... The tl;dr: Drew thinks Vim development has been tainted by LLM contributions, an…

I think it's more fair to say that someone shows that a contributor has started to commit much more frequently and constantly breaking things, and that this corresponds to when they have started (self-reportedly) using LLM's for development.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by elif »

cweagans wrote: post #112
elif wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stallman deserves to be criticized for his own positions. And the emacs community deserves the right to call him out to distance ourselves from them.

Sure, but that doesn't address GP's argument, which I _think_ is "there's a time and a place for those criticisms, and _literally every time emacs is brought up in a public forum_ ain't it"

look i just made a single point about VIM OVERCOMING THE LOSS OF ITS CREATOR by pointing to emacs as a WORSE CASE.

I didn't ask for these weirdos to come demanding to litigate every detail of every sick quote he's ever given.

but i will not stand down to karma bullying to cover up sex crimes of a person just because i like his software.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by mikkupikku »

elif wrote: post #110
mikkupikku wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's saying that Marvin Minsk might not have known that he was on pedo entrapment island and may have assumed a teenage girl was of age. Telling the entrapment targets the deal up front wouldn't be very smart. This is not blaming the girls, it was Epstein's setup.

"I thought she was not a child" is never a defense for raping a child.

You really do have a hard time responding to what people actually said.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by anitil »

I couldn't quite follow the logic in this article, though some comments on here have clarified what it seems Drew means here. To be honest, this spiralling logic reminds me of my thought processes when I was at my most depressed

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by soraminazuki »

tovej wrote: post #123
Kwpolska wrote: post #42

A Vim contributor vibe-coded some toy plugins, and the reaction to that is forking Vim? Sounds like throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Not plugins: https://github.com/vim/vim/issues/18800#issuecomment-3568099...

That's an unfounded accusation being presented as proof.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by tzs »

margalabargala wrote: post #114
elif wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In statutory child rape, it does not matter in any way or any context what the behavior of the victim was.

Sure, yes, we agree crimes were committed. By Epstein and Minsky. The statements that Stallman made about the nature of those crimes, were not what you claim they are.

Minsky turned down the offer according to witnesses at the event. The only crime was committed by Epstein.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by tzs »

elif wrote: post #109
margalabargala wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fear you are the one who does not understand what that is saying. "The trafficked person did not reveal they were being trafficked, because they were trapped on an island with their abuser and were afraid". This is not blaming the victim, nor a defense of the abuser.

In statutory child rape, it does not matter in any way or any context what the behavior of the victim was.

She was 16 which was above the age of consent there.

From Minsky's point of view a girl who was old enough to legally consent to sex offered to have sex with him. According to witnesses at the event he turned down the offer.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by margalabargala »

elif wrote: post #117
margalabargala wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that is the Minsky comment I mentioned that apparently renders people illiterate and incapable of understanding what they read. What Stallman said is "the people who were trafficked, probably did not tell the people they were trafficked to, that they were being trafficked and were there unwillingly." I don't see how saying that is a "defense of Jeffrey Epstein".

"Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal conversations in recent years, I’ve learned to understand how sex with a child can harm per1 psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why. Children: Humans up t…

Why would I defend that? That part's pretty cut and dry.

Him posting that doesn't have anything to do with you telling lies about defending Epstein. Both are shitty.

Is it now appropriate for me to tell lies about you defending Epstein, because you did something shitty (falsely accusing others of defending Epstein)?

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