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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by frizlab »

bsimpson wrote: post #60
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

> If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you Author started at System 8. They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone.

> They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone.

They sure have tried since forever though. My uncle complained about Apple for this very reason ~20y ago…

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by bdcravens »

> Even though my software is packaged and notarised as per their requirements, they still show my users a dialog box confirming they want to run my app, something they do not for apps installed through their walled garden. This is just friction to punish developers outside their store. I am very tired of it.

Does them quitting Apple mean they're going to stop supporting MacOS users?

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

raincole wrote: post #47

> Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score. UK passed age verification law and people still find a way to blame the US.

We need to start calling it identity verification. Because that's what it is, anything that requires you to hand over an ID or credit card.

"Age" verification was a wonderful trojan horse that has fooled a lot of people.

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Post by estebank »

raincole wrote: post #47

> Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score. UK passed age verification law and people still find a way to blame the US.

A law can be bad and its implementation can be worse.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by irusensei »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #68

Any age verification should come with an OAUTH style government run API. The idea being you verify your ID with the government, and the service that required age verification gets back a true or false for does this user meet this age requirement. That way the amount of data shared is kept to a minimum. The UK, and Brazil who passed a similar law, 'cheated' by just forcing private companies to figure it out.

Ironic that Brazil government tends to pay lip service to digital sovereignty while forcing their own citizens to handle their data to Zuckerberg and Peter Thiel.

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Post by dghf »

raincole wrote: post #47

> Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score. UK passed age verification law and people still find a way to blame the US.

> Ofcom, the UK’s communications regulator, praised Apple for the decision, especially since it’s not required to implement age verification for the iOS or its App Store under the region’s Online Safety Act.

https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/apple-introduces-age-verif...

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by golfer »

mikepurvis wrote: post #102
golfer wrote: post #75

These "breaking up with Apple" stories pop up from time to time here. Cracks me up because they all follow the same pattern: "I'm done with Apple. I've been a Mac user since since $EARLY_YEAR. I loved using $OLD_APPLE_HARDWARE to work on $VARIOUS_INTERESTING_PROJECTS. I fondly recall $FORMATIVE_APPLE_MEMORY. But they've gone too far. $NEW_APPLE_ENSHITTIFICATION is the last straw, I can't do this any more. This will b…

What is it that bothers you about this type of discussion? For myself I just switched back to Android after a decade of iOS so I'm always interested in what it was that was the last straw for others. (for me it was interop issues around wearables and trackers; I want to use chipolo and a pebble watch and not feel punished every day for going out of the ecosystem)

It doesn't bother me at all -- in my post, I said it cracks me up. They all have their reasons for breaking up with Apple. FYI I'm not an Apple guy myself.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by suddenlybananas »

AlexandrB wrote: post #99
izacus wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tapping a UK passport to your phone works just fine for ETA apps and it would work just fine for Apple as well. The fact that you think American corporation punishing foreign users for their laws is acceptible is sick upon itself.

How many people have a passport vs a credit card? If you travel a lot, sure, but some folks never leave their hometown.

More Brits have passports (86.5% [1]) than credit cards (64% [2]).

[1] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati...

[2] https://www.money.co.uk/credit-cards/credit-card-statistics

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by xnorswap »

AlexandrB wrote: post #99
izacus wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tapping a UK passport to your phone works just fine for ETA apps and it would work just fine for Apple as well. The fact that you think American corporation punishing foreign users for their laws is acceptible is sick upon itself.

How many people have a passport vs a credit card? If you travel a lot, sure, but some folks never leave their hometown.

In the UK More people have passports than have credit cards, the assumption otherwise is precisely the culture-clash that the article is complaining about.
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