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GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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so... just sell a phone with a script prompts the user to install the OS, and it auto-verifies hashes, can't be bypassed, etc. Is that too simplistic a solution?

I highly doubt that would work but there could be, say, a card in the box with the link to the webinstaller and the webinstaller can be made even easier.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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The typical GOS user generally doesnt want to do that. Flashing is a hurdle that increases barrier for entry. Reducing or eliminating that burden is ideal. Greenboot support would make flashing a little easier.

> typical GOS user generally doesnt want to do that How do you know this? Is there an official (or even unofficial) source of GOS preinstalled devices that a substantial amount of "typical GOS user" has acquired? Or maybe you are talking about "potential user of GOS"? In any case: if you installed it yourself you mostly have to trust the source of the installer. If you purchase a pre-installed device you're basically…

I have helped a significant number of GOS users install GOS to their device. If you perform post install steps correctly then you do not need to trust where you got it from, as the post install steps are there to verify your install is genuine. If GOS gets greenboot support for motorola devices, then not getting a yellowboot screen will show it is genuine and you wont need to trust anything.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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In the meantime systemd already added handling for Age to the system bus. Next step is to add your race, then income, then who you voted for...

to clear up a misconception for everyone, systemd doesn't do age verification. it just lets you set age restrictions on accounts. It's very sensible.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

#124

Age verification at the OS level makes no sense to me. Most households aren't going to have a separate device for every family member and so you will end up with a tablet or computer set up by one of the parents (and thus having their age stored) that will be used by both parents and children. Likewise, people generally won't create a separate account for every potential user.

Apparently there's been work to expose Meta pushing/funding this, to shift age responsibility from them and force for fine grained age data to be provided to apps.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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If shipping a specific device configuration to the US is illegal, Motorola should not ship this specific device configuration to the US. I do not think our parent is suggesting otherwise. AFAIK Motorola and GrapheneOS are not merging, they are getting into a partnership. They do not have to think or do exactly the same. Apple can comply with both CCP and US demands at the same time without a problem. I am sure Motoro…

Motorola is pretty much only present in US these days, why would they build a product that can't be sold in their primary market? Demanding that OSes outright violate the law because you disagree with your own elected government is pretty insane.

Quick google shows that in 2024 half of the Motorola phone sales were in LATAM, especially Brazil. What makes you say that the key market is the US?

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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It could be used in one. But it would need so many changes that it doesn't advance that kind of thing by much. It also gets sites to stop doing their own invasive verification systems.

I still view it as a step in the wrong direction. And it sends a message that this kind of law is ok.

That depends on what kind of law you view this as. As a parental control like the V-chip (but hopefully with a higher percent of parents using it) it's nothing new.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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> An adult had to pay for the ISP connection In many countries, it is still possible to buy a prepaid SIM without any ID.

And if such a country wants to keep kids off of the unrestricted internet they should just ban that practice.

And HN would complain even more about the loss of privacy.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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I wonder how things like computers at the library will work. This whole thing is just so stupid and intrusive. I can't imagine anyone will benefit from this except advertisers, doxxers and Big Brother.

You're not really going to be watching porn at the library though, just saying

In fact, many libraries have computers sectioned off in semi-private areas exactly for this reason...

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Can someone catch me up how FB et al are not the ones responsible for age verification? Is it lack of something similar to PKI for identify verification?

Why would you want every site on the internet to traffic in government IDs? This is by far the least bad out of all possible ways to implement age checking. The benefit of this is that it can short-circuit support for more onerous age verification. The writing has been on the wall for some time now: the era of completely unrestricted internet is coming to an end. The question is how awful will the new normal be? This implementation is a win all around, a complete nothingburger. We should be celebrating it, not fighting it tooth and nail.

The tech crowds utter derangement over this minor mandate is truly a sight to behold.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality? Especially invasive/anti-privacy ones. If someone wants to introduce an age-verification-ca-module, fine, but not make it core. Yes I understand systemd is not the kernel, but its ubiquitous enough. That just says to every country around the world; Windows, Mac, and even Linux is on board too, let's make it law also! I dunno, I always ex…

Systemd has always rubbed me the wrong way, and its uptake across all the base distros turns me off, but at least... https://nosystemd.org/ There are still distros without it, I may have to go to one, since I already jumped Win10 to Cachy for the BS MS is pulling. I was going to go systemd-free but Cachy "just worked" compared to the others in terms of setup. So I stuck with it. I wish Lennart would just stop already…

Your link's not loading for me, but I can recommend Guix System to anyone looking for a systemd-free distro similar to NixOS. For something Arch-like, there's Void (but beware it is not actually based on Arch, so no AUR or pacman).
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