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Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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I don't know who even routes to archive.* anymore. NextDNS doesn't route to .is or .ph or .fo or .today anymore. My ISP doesn't route to .is, but it routes to the others. Using my ISP's DNS means receiving tons of spam though. Cloudflare apparently doesn't reliably route to them either, and I wouldn't want to use it even if it did. UPDATE: I see that https://dns.adguard-dns.com/dns-query still routes to all of them,…

No DNS server "routes to" a domain. The correct term is "resolve". This stuff matters, it causes confusion when talking about technical topics if people misuse the terminology.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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I don't know who even routes to archive.* anymore. NextDNS doesn't route to .is or .ph or .fo or .today anymore. My ISP doesn't route to .is, but it routes to the others. Using my ISP's DNS means receiving tons of spam though. Cloudflare apparently doesn't reliably route to them either, and I wouldn't want to use it even if it did. UPDATE: I see that https://dns.adguard-dns.com/dns-query still routes to all of them,…

No DNS server "routes to" a domain. The correct term is "resolve". This stuff matters, it causes confusion when talking about technical topics if people misuse the terminology.

Apologies and thank you.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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seems redundant given that the c̶o̶u̶r̶t̶ NLRB siding with the employee suggests that even in the US employees are likely protected in this case, but interestingly i feel this one is undecided, because insults are taken quite seriously in some european countries. from germany i know that whether an insult is grounds for firing someone depends on the regular interaction the two people have, so if you take a company of…

The court has not sided with anyone yet. The NLRB sided with the employee and has argued her case in court.

oops, sloppy reading of the article on my part, corrected.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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I think the cult of personality always backfires, pun intended. Our company biggest product was a celebrity making fun commercials for the actual product. Works wonders. Personally I don't have a problem with him, I enjoyed his movies in the past. But not everybody does. Internally, the company tried to push this cult so deeply that it was part of the hiring process, part of the onboarding, even obscured some of the…

> Many of us are mature enough to follow the principle of, "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything." This isn't maturity, this is selfishness. A group often benefits from someone challenging the status quo, but the individual doing that gets punished. In your view, Germans during WW2 were "mature" by not saying anything that wasn't nice about nazism, and nowadays Russians are "mature" when they d…

There's a difference between criticism and personal insults, and honestly if you can't tell the difference you might be a liability for your employer.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Yes, why surround yourself with people who are critical of you, when you can surround yourself with yes-men who will loyally toe the line? Positive contributions comes from loyal subjects who agree with their betters.

That's one way to look at it. Another way is that people who are aligned with the CEOs mission will help achieve the mission, and people who are not aligned will not help achieve the mission. And it's the CEOs job to define the mission

The mission is usually stupid and also dumb, and it would be in the CEOs best interest to surround himself or herself with people willing to tell them that.

Meta could've saved billions of dollars if more people told Zuck that the Metaverse is stupid, because it was. The end result is the same. The death of the idea. That much is actually unavoidable, because stupid and bad ideas will always fail, with or without support. So, it shifts to a question of it being a long, drawn-out, expensive death or a quick Old Yeller type putting down.

I think the issue we're seeing across a lot of companies is that leadership is incredibly stupid. I think we have this wrong idea that, because a CEO exists purely to make decisions, they must be pretty good at it. But that's not really the case. You can only be capable of doing one thing and still be shit at that one thing, it's definitely possible.

The problem is, I think, we assume that CEOs and other leadership work like normal people, but I don't think this is the case. I think there is a brain decay that occurs as people become more rich and powerful. It's becoming evident to me that the human brain was never intended to be in that type of situation, and there are consequences. There's a sort of detachment of reality that comes along with that, and it almost seems unavoidable. Like a type of delusional psychosis that just onsets when you become rich and powerful enough.

It's not a new thing, either. You can basically see this across all of history with kings and rulers of all kinds. The really good ones do something remarkable: they predict their own oncoming psychosis. They build in controls and preventative measures so that, when they inevitable go off the rails, the damage is minimized. It's wild, isn't it? I think about everything George Washington did prior to his rise in US politics, and it can only be describes as stopping his future self from eventually becoming drunk with power.

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After suffering Jira at two previous employers when it was being considered at the third org, I lobbied, pretty much begged, and cried along with many other colleagues who had this inflicted upon them previously. Yes, we indeed ended up with Jira and one another Atlassian monstrosity.

Confluence? I know most people really want a hard-to-use wiki with a special markdown flavor to write up things that instantly go stale, never to be reviewed again. Or, at least that's the only way I've really seen Confluence used?

I love confluence because it has the worst search engine I've ever used. I used to think TikTok search was the worst: no matter what you typed, you would get only videos of people dancing. World's largest rock? Here's 12 videos of people dancing the renegade. 2020 election? Here's a video of someone dressed like Donald Trump dancing the renegade. Gatorade? Surely you meant the renegade, right? Here's some videos of people dancing the renegade.

But TikTok actually fixed that, so now Confluence is back on top. Good on you, Atlassian.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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I’m not a fan of Jira either, but this isn’t a particularly relevant criticism. it’s meant for coordinating large groups.

I was replying to a joke so there was a bit of humor intended there. :-) Honestly I don’t hate JIRA, it’s “fine”. There aren’t really any project tracking tools that I love.

Sorry, I missed that. I’ve seen enough wild but earnestly held beliefs on HN that I have trouble telling them from satire.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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There’s no reason a company should put up with enemies within. In rare instances a disgruntled employee might be able to make a positive contribution. In most cases, even if the employee has valid reasons, by the time they are disgruntled there’s no coming back. It’s best for everyone to move on.

Yeah especially when they are a CEO.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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No using the legal process if you think your company is violating the law is also part of "stand up for yourself". If a rich guy can't take some minor criticism maybe he's the whiner.

This assumes that you think people operate on principles. As the years go on, it feels that people in the top seem to mostly operate on money. The CEO has money and the power to fire that person if the employee is disliked. Maybe that shouldn't be a thing, maybe it should be illegal, but they'll find a way around it. Just because they can means that they will. I wish it wasn't like that but that's how I see things ar…

If I had to distill the social status & commensurate behaviour described in your in two words, it might sound suspiciously familiar.

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It feels like a stretch to claim that mocking your CEO (deservedly or not) counts as collectively discussing or protesting working conditions.

Does the law protecting discussion of working conditions (in this case the handling of layoffs) really vanish if those discussions are humorous?
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