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Apple announces new Mac sales record following MacBook Neo launch

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Re: Apple announces new Mac sales record following MacBook Neo launch

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Post by CamperBob2 »

zoogeny wrote: post #86

Part of me thinks this is a bad sign for Apple. They have always been a premium brand. I'm not a business major, but it just feels like a bad thing when premium enters low-end markets. But on the other hand, this is kind of the culmination of them owning their hardware stack. They can avoid the commoditization race to the bottom since they are the exclusive owners of a significant amount of their hardware vertical, F…

I'm not a business major, but it just feels like a bad thing when premium enters low-end markets.

Microsoft's malevolent stewardship of Windows has handed the market to them on the proverbial silver platter. It's only reasonable for Cook to take advantage of their generosity.

Re: Apple announces new Mac sales record following MacBook Neo launch

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Post by LinkSpree »

hammock wrote: post #58

Who knew, people just wanted Apple to make cheaper products. People have been asking for iPhone SE to come back for what feels like decades, maybe they will do that next.

Cheap Apple products is a long term net negative. Apple's justification for their price on high ticket items is not their technical edge, is the "cool people have it so might as well pay a premium for it". Lululemon did something similar to appeal to the masses and it backfired a few years after, opening the door for competitors that had nothing on them a few years back.

Re: Apple announces new Mac sales record following MacBook Neo launch

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Post by ksec »

isjdiwjxiwj wrote: post #104
ksec wrote: post #88

I actually liked the Design of Neo more so than the Air. It is just more practical. I also like thin bezel rather than no / minimal bezel. I still haven't found any concrete evidence but I think the Key travel on Neo is at least 1-2mm higher than Air and Pro. And back to the good old MacBook Pro Early 2015 era keyboard. If it could make the trackpad completely silent and an A19 Pro with 12GB, double the SSD speed wou…

> If it could make the trackpad completely silent and an A19 Pro with 12GB, double the SSD speed would have been perfect. Would have loved M5 with 16GB Memory but I guess that eats into Air. What you’re asking for is an Air.

>What you’re asking for is an Air.

The design of Air and Neo is completely different. Air is non-repairable, worst keyboard, zero bezels. The Neo is easy enough to fix I dont even need to look at the manual.

Re: Apple announces new Mac sales record following MacBook Neo launch

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Post by kube-system »

bigyabai wrote: post #100
kube-system wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of those specs are orthogonal to the gripes people are referring to when they call a laptop a "plastic shitbox"

Apple sold high-quality plastic laptops for a very long time, so evidently there's something there.

There’s nothing wrong with plastic as a material, but there’s a lot wrong with many of the designs of mid-tier laptops that happen to use plastic. The plastic isn’t as much a cause of their problems as it is a signature feature of all hastily assembled corner-cut devices.

Re: Apple announces new Mac sales record following MacBook Neo launch

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Post by kube-system »

nickjj wrote: post #112
robotresearcher wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1080p > It weighs the same as a MBP A much larger laptop with less than half the number of display pixels is not really the same market. And how's that battery life?

> A much larger laptop with less than half the number of display pixels is not really the same market. And how's that battery life? Yes, the display isn't as good but the Neo with 512 GB of storage is already $700 and has half the storage of the other laptop. The Neo also has 8 GB of RAM vs 32 GB. Big differences IMO. Battery life is "good enough" but not great. It really depends on what you're using it for. If you'r…

What you’re missing is that the target market for this devices — the casual laptop user — DGAF about memory or storage if it is at the expense of the directly observable user experience.

Few people want or need 32gb of RAM, nor give a shit about what it even means. Most people just want to run MS Word and Google Chrome and maybe TurboTax.

Re: Apple announces new Mac sales record following MacBook Neo launch

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Post by thejazzman »

ksec wrote: post #124
isjdiwjxiwj wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it could make the trackpad completely silent and an A19 Pro with 12GB, double the SSD speed would have been perfect. Would have loved M5 with 16GB Memory but I guess that eats into Air. What you’re asking for is an Air.

>What you’re asking for is an Air. The design of Air and Neo is completely different. Air is non-repairable, worst keyboard, zero bezels. The Neo is easy enough to fix I dont even need to look at the manual.

I guarantee you that if you used both you’d prefer the Air.

What advantage does the Neo’s keyboard have have over the keyboard that’s identical in all other modern Macs?

Re: Apple announces new Mac sales record following MacBook Neo launch

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Post by newdee »

nickjj wrote: post #65
kube-system wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but the $600 MacBooks are coming straight for the $600 plastic shitbox windows laptops. The competition at this price point is weak.

> The competition at this price point is weak. Is it though? 6 months ago for $575, I picked up a 15" 1080p IPS display laptop with an AMD Ryzen 7 6800H (8 cores / 16 threads), 32 GB of DDR5 RAM, Radeon 680M iGPU that can use up to 8 GB VRAM and a 1 TB NVME SSD with a backlight keyboard, a bunch of USB ports and HDMI port. It weighs the same as a MBP and comes with a 2 year manufacturer warranty. It's upgradable to 6…

Very neat looking device for the price you paid, but you do not mention how (and I have doubts that) it competes in the areas of:

Fit and finish (not being made of creaky plastic) Display brightness & colour representation Battery life Trackpad Keyboard

For a portable these are just as important as “the numbers”for most people and definitely more noticeable. Perhaps not the case for you though!

Re: Apple announces new Mac sales record following MacBook Neo launch

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Post by ndr42 »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #101
tonymet wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reporting and headline are even worse. “Best launch week ever” says nothing about sales.

Doesn’t it mean that it sold more units in its first week on the market than any past Mac? How does that say nothing about sales? It’s literally about sales numbers, they are just using a relative metric instead of an absolute metric.

They announced a sales record where the metric is "sold to somebody that never ever had a mac before" combined with "in the first week of availability". The headline is worse than Cook's tweet quoted in the article.

To get this record you need to have a long time were your costumers were buying something else from you (like Phones) and have a lot available inventory in a lot of places in the first week combined with a great media coverage. 3 things that Apple has an advantage in.

As @ibero above points out it is more important for apple to tap into the vast demographic of relatively young iPhone/iPad customers - the older Mac customers are buying different machines.

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