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How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by zetanor »

jbm wrote: post #120
ranit wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please elaborate on: > I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV.

Alberta is imposing a charge on EV registrations, and they increased it again this year. At some point I'm hoping courts curtail their attempt at imposing gas cars but given how Canadian courts are hamstrung at obvious human rights issues in places like Quebec, I doubt they will do anything about Alberta either.

>Canadian courts are hamstrung at obvious human rights issues

Huh?

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by drstewart »

Markoff wrote: post #27
drstewart wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's how Europe falls behind, you mean. Why do they always get left out of the comparisons? Because they're so far behind anything it would be an insult to include them?

you can buy Chinese phones/cars in EU, so we don't fall behind though in 3.5 months they are gonna ban EU consumers from buying cheap things directly from AliExpress and groom July 1st you will have to pay 3EUR for each ordered item, including that 1EUR screen protector, because it's much better when you can feed some useless middleman than saving money, thanks EU!

DeepSeek is available in the US, so why did anyone imply the US will fall behind in AI tech?

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by knocte »

RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

> On long distance trips I spend 1 hour charging for every 2 hours driving

In Spain, I take ~600km trips every once in a while. I just need to charge once in the middle of the trip, in a super-charger that is. And the charge is 25min maximum.

Your experience varies is basically opposite from my experience. Your situation is probably influenced, indeed, by the poor choice of EVs you purchased (range is the most important factor for me to buy) and the lack of superchargers around your area.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by flopsamjetsam »

Tade0 wrote: post #60

I have a feeling that half the reason they're doing this is that they don't have a good idea how to increase energy efficiency. Case in point: 2026 BMW i3 - 900km WLTP from a 108kWh battery. 2026 Denza Z9 GT - 800km WLTP from a 122kWh pack. The former charges at a maximum of 400kW, while the latter at over twice that which saves... about 10 minutes at the charger after 450km of driving(12 vs 22 minutes approx). Many…

> 2026 BMW i3 - 900km WLTP from a 108kWh battery.

I had to do a double take: remembering the i3s as the little almost SmartCar-sized EVs. Great cars, I still see a few around here, but I couldn't imagine them extending the range of those to 900km!

Turns out they just released the i3 sedan, which is like a 3-series. And good to see they're making the design similar between the new 3-series and the new i3. I like the i4, but really need something more 3-series in size.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by jjmarr »

ranit wrote: post #107
RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

Could you please elaborate on: > I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV.

There's a special excise tax on gasoline for highway and road maintenance.

EVs don't pay that tax because they use normal electricity. So Alberta introduced a $200 EV fee to match the average revenue from the excise tax.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-electric-veh...

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

pimlottc wrote: post #35
netfortius wrote: post #4

This [0] is the actual (good) news, linked from the article. [0] https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-tech/hybrid-electric-vehic...

Neither article really explains how they are able to charge this fast, aside from “vertical integration” and slightly increased energy density in the battery design. No real details on the charging technology itself.

Is this even as fast as the existing CATL tech? It seems to just be where batteries are heading through a bunch of small improvements over time.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by stavros »

RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

> Sure, it doesn't have to be 5 minutes - even 10-15 would be enough - but current chargers don't get anywhere close to that

My car has a 83 kWh battery and charges at 150 kW, which, for 20% to 80% (what you want to generally do on a trip) means 20 minutes. 20 minutes of charge gets me 300 km, and I generally definitely want to stop for 20 minutes every 300 km or so.

I don't see how that's not "anywhere close" to 15.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by stavros »

boringg wrote: post #95
tim333 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also I guess they could put a large battery at the charging station so it can take say a steady 200kw from the grid and be able to kick out 1500kw for ten minutes occasionally. That could also charge from cheap off peak electricity.

Traffic congestion costs for electricity is going to get wild if we start stacking all sorts of random >= 1.5 MW demands scattered everywhere.

Imagine if we had a parallel information network that could coordinate the charging times of all these things in real-time.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by thephyber »

ufmace wrote: post #112
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biden’s banning them was not a good decision IMO. At the same time, he was encouraging domestics manufacturers to start building their own EVs out, which opened up the possibility of unbanning, with reasonable import duties, once the American companies were competitive. However, right now we are pushing American companies to go in the opposite direction and dismantle their EV efforts.

Do you know how we are "pushing American companies to go in the opposite direction"? Genuine question. The only thing I know of is repealing the tax credits. Personally, I think EVs are neat, but I also think the industry has grown enough already that they should be able to compete with ICE vehicles on as close to a level playing field as can be arranged. Let them beat the ICE industry by making vehicles that are act…

EV Tax rebates ended.

EPA standards for fuel mileage goals in the future were scrapped.

Current fuel mileage standards are no longer enforced.

The Trump Feds sued to stop California’s fuel mileage standards goals.

Tariffs on EV / battery imported products.

The administration paused the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program and cancelled over $7.5 billion in funding for green energy projects, including grants meant to convert manufacturing plants to EV production.

And Musk participation in the fraud that was DOGE sure did push EV buyers away from Musk / Tesla.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by rossjudson »

pepperoni_pizza wrote: post #101
ekr wrote: post #54

Although the thought of getting an electric car has passed through my mind on a few occasions, I'm not 100% familiar with the intricate technical details. (for some reason, the tax incentives where I live are still in favor of continuing with the small petrol car I have. Taxes are primarily a function of weight in the Netherlands, and anything besides a lightweight Dacia Spring would imply significantly higher monthl…

Research on the current EVs shows that they degrade by on average 2.3 % of original capacity a year, but there is a strong dependency on how much the vehicle is used and how often it is DC fast charged, i.e. there is time based degradation and usage based degradation. Low use vehicles have degradation of 1.5 % a year, heavily used vehicles mostly slow charged had degradation of 2.2 % a year and heavily used vehicles…

Where does "20 years" come from? What's wrong with "10 years"?

At the 200,000 mile mark battery life is expected to be ~85%. That's what actual data shows. 200,000 is 13 years of driving 15,000 miles a year.

https://recharged.com/articles/tesla-model-y-battery-degrada...

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