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Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

#121

why can't we have a law that just caps your gambling losses? Everyone gets a federally issued gambling license tied to your ID, if you lose more than X amount the casino is no longer legally allowed to let you play. Casual gamblers can still enjoy, problem gamblers get cut off; just like with alcohol at the bar.

That effectively destroys the industry, since 90% of revenue comes from 10% of customers.

Some gambling companies may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

#122

If it's so bad for gamblers, why don't they stop? If gambling orgs do something that you know causes harm, why isn't the a legal sense of responsibility?

> If it's so bad for gamblers, why don't they stop?

Because they're stupid. Gamblers are idiots, gambling companies prey on the dumb. Anyone who understands the very basic math behind the games understands that it's pointless to play, you'll just lose more the more you play. That's the whole point. It's not even a secret, you can find the exact odds for each game.

Poker is different as you're playing other players rather than the house but it's still a negative sum game as the house takes a cut so you have to be better than the others to play. And if you're a reasonably intelligent person you'll just bet a little and accept your losses and move on. Or not play at all. Idiots will do dumb stuff like bet way more than they can afford, then they won't have money to pay their mortgage, rent etc and so on. People call it an addiction but I'm pretty sure it's mostly just being really really stupid. Can't be addicted to gambling if you aren't dumb as a rock.

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

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post #98

Can't wait to see how this (rather unsurprising yet important finding) is going to get abused for and with AI : "Hey, I see we haven't chat / you didn't vibe code for few days now, how about you get 1000 free tokens and we just see where that lead us?" It perfectly aligns with sycophantic interaction and then roulette outcome one gets, sure it might not work 100% of the time but it works most of the time and "I" as a…

Anthropic is already starting to do this regularly with "usage promotions" [0] which is another way of a casino giving free $20 spins to gamblers (vibe-coders in this case) to keep gambling - or in this case, keep spending tokens on Claude.

I brought this up previously [1] and recently [2] it and I made that accurate comparison as a form of gambling and got immediately flag'd despite that being correct.

[0] https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14063676-claude-march...

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47381597

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47429184

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if they would overturn that if sufficient evidence of harm were demonstrated. They've been remarkably consistent about permitting violations of constitutional rights where the government can unambiguously demonstrate a pressing need.

The 1A does not have an exception for harm.

If that were the case than libel and slander would be legal.

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

#126

I've always found the marketing around gambling (and most things really) completely disgusting. As a society I think we're far too tolerant of these things. A lot of the ads basically go along the lines of: 'you could win big and have a great time, awesome! (disclaimer: will probably ruin your life)'. It should be like it is with smoking - photos of lung cancer patients on the package. People will still do it of cour…

I think an honest gambling ad would include wins and losses at an appropriate ratio and emphasize the excitement as opposed to the payout. I do think the majority of people engaging in gambling engage with it in that way (even if I don't understanding it), and that the people it effects so extremely negatively are a smaller minority. But, a) that smaller minority still likely makes up a very large fraction of these companies income stream, and b) the harm is large enough that banning the advertising is still I think the better option, anyhow.

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

#127

I've always found the marketing around gambling (and most things really) completely disgusting. As a society I think we're far too tolerant of these things. A lot of the ads basically go along the lines of: 'you could win big and have a great time, awesome! (disclaimer: will probably ruin your life)'. It should be like it is with smoking - photos of lung cancer patients on the package. People will still do it of cour…

Just ban it. The only defense for our lives being flooded with advertising is that it helps markets be more efficient. But the most efficient gambling provider is the one that extracts the most money from its customers. Helping gambling companies be successful is a net loss to society.

By that argument the companies that are 'most efficient' are the ones that extract the most money. Efficiency is a property of both sides of the equation, and by that light I would say the most efficient gambling provider is the one that charges the least money for the most excitement about the result (which is the positive outcome that gamblers are purchasing, essentially). But to me the ill effects on those who are addicted is enough that the advertising should just be banned anyway.

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

#128

Study seems flawed– it preselects two different audiences (allow/not-allow offers mapping to something like low/high interest in gambling), then attributes the offers as the cause rather than the effect of selecting different audiences.

The second paragraph of the article somewhat misrepresents the study.

There wasn't a group that chose to opt out, and another group that chose not to. Everyone agreed to be in the study, and then a random half of the cohort was removed from the mailing lists.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.70369

Re: Bombarding gamblers with offers greatly increases betting and gambling harm

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That effectively destroys the industry, since 90% of revenue comes from 10% of customers.

yeah, good. okay.

Yeah, I mean I just don't see the point of a roundabout rule like that if the goal is to kill the companies - which it should be - just kill the companies directly.
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