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Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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It's kind of funny that Google's idea of evaluating AGI is outsourcing the work to a Kaggle competition.

When I was at a FAANG, we used to joke that when senior leadership is totally out of ideas, they announce a hackathon. It was a way for them to continue the charade of being "leaders" without having any ideas.

Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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It is not. Why is that relevant to social entities?

How well you interact with other members of a society increases your chances of procreation, survival, knowledge acquisition, ie. it makes sense as a measure of intelligence

I agree 100%.

Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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for example?

Claiming they can be reliable lawyers.[1] Claiming they can give safe, regulated financial advice. [2] Claiming you can put your whole operation on autopilot with minimal oversight and no negative consequences. [3] [1] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/09/... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/generative-ai-exaggeration-o... [3] https://www.answerconnect.com/blog/business-tips/ai-customer...

Claiming they will replace software engineers in 6-12 months, every 6 months [4]

[4] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/anthropic-ceo-predicts-ai-mod...

Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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I think you are mixing up consciousness and will. I could not have consciousness and you would not be able to tell, you don't have proof of anyone's counciousness except your own. You don't even have proof that the you of yesterday is the same as you, since you-today could be another consciousness that just happens to share the same memories. All of that is also orthogonal to your belief in a spirit/soul... but getti…

You bring up an interesting point, but I would pose the following: where does will come from? To me, consciousness is the seat, or root, of where will comes from. Let's say you get expert level surgeon or politician training, what then? There is nothing that specifically silos a surgeon or politician's knowledge-set. Meaning a politician's skillset isn't purely in a domain that doesn't cross into a surgeon's and vice…

> where does will come from?

your gut bacteria, navigating "you" towards novel nutrition to ingest and preprocess for them

Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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This reminds me of "Devin". You know, the first "AI software engineer", which had the hype of the day but turned into a huge flop. They had ridiculous demos of Devin e.g. working as a freelancer and supposedly earning money from it.

It looks like the company (Cognition) is actively hiring (20+ job openings last I checked). That doesn't sound like a "flop" to me...

When you think about it, every job opening is a flop in that sense.

Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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for example?

Claiming they can be reliable lawyers.[1] Claiming they can give safe, regulated financial advice. [2] Claiming you can put your whole operation on autopilot with minimal oversight and no negative consequences. [3] [1] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/09/... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/generative-ai-exaggeration-o... [3] https://www.answerconnect.com/blog/business-tips/ai-customer...

so you're saying Ai can do all those things?

or that you can't read that GP was talking about what Ai CAN do?

Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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for example?

Well, for starters, they definitively passed the Turing test a few years ago. The fact that many regard them as equivalent in skill to a junior dev is also, IMO, the stuff of science fiction.

they passed, sure

how do you market that as a product that is needed by other people?

there are already companies that advertise Ai date partners, Ai therapists and Ai friends - and that gets a lot of flame about being manipulative and harmful

Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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> The claim that books know things seems suspicious to me I didn't say the book knows things, but everyone can agree that books has knowledge in them. Hence something possessing knowledge doesn't make it intelligent. For example, when ancient libraries were burnt those civilizations lost a lot of knowledge. Those books possessed knowledge, it isn't a hard concept to understand. Those civilizations didn't lose intelli…

Would you consider taking a dump and then butchering an animal and then eating without washing your hands first, to be an issue of intelligence or knowledge ? The whole thing about washing hands comes from (some approximation of) germ theory of illness, and in practice, it actually just boils down to stories of other people practicing hygiene. So if one's answer here isn't "knowledge", it needs some serious justifica…

hygiene is set of rules that one learns - it is knowledge

your brain hearing, comprehending and following those rules - that is intelligence

why do you keep confusing CPU speed/isa and contents of SSD? and arguing that it's the same thing?

Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

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I think you are mixing up consciousness and will. I could not have consciousness and you would not be able to tell, you don't have proof of anyone's counciousness except your own. You don't even have proof that the you of yesterday is the same as you, since you-today could be another consciousness that just happens to share the same memories. All of that is also orthogonal to your belief in a spirit/soul... but getti…

You bring up an interesting point, but I would pose the following: where does will come from? To me, consciousness is the seat, or root, of where will comes from. Let's say you get expert level surgeon or politician training, what then? There is nothing that specifically silos a surgeon or politician's knowledge-set. Meaning a politician's skillset isn't purely in a domain that doesn't cross into a surgeon's and vice…

What specific properties of consciousness do you think are required, and why couldn’t those be replicated algorithmically?

To me it seems a bit like just guessing that one thing we don’t understand might explain another.

Re: Measuring progress toward AGI: A cognitive framework

#130
Every week we are 50% closer to shifting the goalpost...

from the paper "AI systems already possess some capabilities not found in humans, such as LiDAR perception and native image generation". I don't know about them, but I can natively generate images in my mind.

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