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Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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Post by jfim »

glenstein wrote: post #109
babypuncher wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new Xbox is going to be a specialized PC running Windows with full access to third party game stores (Steam, Epic, etc). It won't need to be "hacked" because anyone will already be able to run any software they want on it.

A conversation for another day and I can't wait to have it, but something about this seems seriously doomed, because Steam already owns this lane, owns it well, and these days I think Linux is objectively the better desktop for most personal, PC-style use cases. Windows stopped feeling like it meant PC a long time ago, and there's a major risk of the whole Xbox identity disappearing into the PC computing. Probably a…

You can run steam in big picture mode, and there are ways to add links to games from other game stores to steam such as https://github.com/PhilipK/BoilR

It's not automatic or perfect but it does work.

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Post by mikepurvis »

poemxo wrote: post #94
PUSH_AX wrote: post #49

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> how does one defend against an attacker or red-team who controls the CPU voltage rails The xbox does have defences against this, the talk explicitly mentions rail monitoring defences intended to detect that kind of attack. It had a lot of them, and he had to build around them. The exploit succeeds because he found two glitch points that bypassed the timing randomisation and containment model.

I hope Apple is paying attention, since their first gen AirTags are vulnerable to voltage glitching to disable the speaker and the tracking warning.

It's pretty trivial to just open it up and disconnect the speaker too. I took one apart to make a custom wallet card out of it and broke the speaker in doing so; the rest of it worked perfectly fine (though obviously the warning would still work).

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Post by beAbU »

pjmlp wrote: post #116
philistine wrote: post #82

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You are 100% correct but they started clamping down on people using Dev mode strictly for emulators and homebrew. So here we are.

This is what killed Linux support on PS as well, Sony was disappointed with what was being done with PS2Linux, instead of indie titles. Hence why PS3 Other OS no longer did hardware acceleration.

The PS3 was incredible value dollar-to-flop, given that it was sold at a loss. This resulted in universities and other research institutes buying them en masse to create supercomputer clusters. Naturally buying thousands of consoles but not a single game puts sony in a difficult position. Although I think it's sad the hardware got locked down in later revisions, I fully understand why they did it.

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Post by glenstein »

jfim wrote: post #121
glenstein wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A conversation for another day and I can't wait to have it, but something about this seems seriously doomed, because Steam already owns this lane, owns it well, and these days I think Linux is objectively the better desktop for most personal, PC-style use cases. Windows stopped feeling like it meant PC a long time ago, and there's a major risk of the whole Xbox identity disappearing into the PC computing. Probably a…

You can run steam in big picture mode, and there are ways to add links to games from other game stores to steam such as https://github.com/PhilipK/BoilR It's not automatic or perfect but it does work.

I'm aware, but that is indeed a great thing Steam offers. I think it's janky enough that if there's one way to out-steam Steam it might be making the broader PC gaming universe as plug-and-play into a console experience as possible.

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Post by rangestransform »

au8er wrote: post #25

This just again shows that given enough time skill, and resources, any security is pointless if the attacker has physical access to the device.

In the talk that the security guy gave, he said it just had to cost more than 10 games for a user to enable piracy

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Post by Retr0id »

mike_hearn wrote: post #91

Amazing talk. Here's a quick writeup if you don't want to watch the full hour or don't have enough hardware knowledge to follow what Markus is talking about, as he goes very fast, in some cases too fast to even let you read the text on his slides. It's mandatory to use the pause key to understand the full details even if you have a deep understanding of every relevant technology, of which he explains none. The Xbox u…

> It's mandatory to use the pause key to understand the full details

I was going to say I disagreed but the rest of your comment reminded me that I've accumulated a lot of domain-specific knowledge.

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Post by mschild »

beAbU wrote: post #123
pjmlp wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what killed Linux support on PS as well, Sony was disappointed with what was being done with PS2Linux, instead of indie titles. Hence why PS3 Other OS no longer did hardware acceleration.

The PS3 was incredible value dollar-to-flop, given that it was sold at a loss. This resulted in universities and other research institutes buying them en masse to create supercomputer clusters. Naturally buying thousands of consoles but not a single game puts sony in a difficult position. Although I think it's sad the hardware got locked down in later revisions, I fully understand why they did it.

The US Department of Defense went quite a bit further. They created the Condor Cluster in 2010 which was comprised of 1760 PS3s. At the time it was placed 33rd worldwide for a supercomputer.

https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomput...

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Post by glenstein »

inertiatic wrote: post #120
glenstein wrote: post #107

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>The 2013 system’s game library is largely overlapped in better quality on the PC platform. I get what this essentially means, but for those of us with a certain amount of love of language (or pedantry), it's fascinating to try and parse this literally because I don't quite think it works as intended. Clearly the intended meaning is something like eclipsed in quality. And it may be overlapped in the sense that the sa…

It's clear it means that there's a large overlap in titles and they are available in better quality on the PC platform?

I already acknowledged that part several times?
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