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Re: Office.eu launches as Europe's sovereign office platform

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Post by Maken »

SllX wrote: post #113
rsynnott wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Work/Works" tended to be used for specifically integrated office suites (AppleWorks/ClarisWorks, and then Microsoft Works). Though iWork is _not_ one, granted. I think integrated office suites have now entirely died out.

Isn't LibreOffice still an integrated office suite like OpenOffice.org was? I never bothered installing it, so I'm genuinely asking about that one. But Google Workspace would probably count as a fully integrated suite.

LibreOffice is like Office a collection of intercompatible apps. Microsoft Works was a single application offering Word/Excel/Outlook-like functionality.

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Post by surgical_fire »

blell wrote: post #115
cedilla wrote: post #47

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Microsoft does not have a trademark for "Office", which is clearly a type of product and can't be used as a program name (just like you can't name your oatmeal "Oatmeal" and expect trademark protection). Microsoft does have a figurative trademark for "Office" with the rectangular icon: https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/01141355... - office.eu's logo does not bear any resemblance. The only way this w…

>just like hundreds of other companies offering products with "Office" in their name There may be hundreds of other companies selling products with the noun "office" in their names, but there only is one producing a productivity suite called simply "Office". I would expect launching another productivity suite called "Office" would be trademark infringement. Just like I can't release a car called "Beetle" or "Golf".

> productivity suite called simply "Office"

Microsoft Office.

I doubt Microsoft can own a name as generic as Simply "office".

Office.eu does not hold any resemblance to Microsoft Office in terms of logo, typography, makes no reference to MS, etc.

Of course they can sue. The most competent employees at MS are likely their lawyers and lobbyists anyway.

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Post by type0 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #120
graypegg wrote: post #83

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I think they could've worked a little harder to at least find a noun you could futz with so it has some commonality between european languages. "Office" is probably well known, but it doesn't "feel" very european to use a noun that's different from most other EU languages translation. Could be "Productiv" or something. It feels like the federal government here in Canada has a team of language nerds ready to smash tog…

Ireland is in EU. English is the primary language there (even though it is not the original language). Also, English does work as a sort of Lingua Franca across EU countries. Nothing wrong with it.

Correctamente:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_English

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Post by winstonwinston »

F3nd0 wrote: post #116
Confiks wrote: post #81

This is just a Nextcloud rebrand with a confusing domain name. It claims "Core is [100%] Open Source" but no source code is provided beyond what's already available in the upstream projects, and it's unlikely that there will be (as this happens a lot). It's a one-man project without a track record or certifications based out of a shared office space [1]. And don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with starting a b…

> there's nothing wrong with starting a business rebranding Nextcloud and keeping your development closed source, as long as you're honest about that, which this initiative is not. I thought Nextcloud was released under the AGPL, making this very much not okay by default. So either I misunderstood something or Office.eu got a permission to make non-free modifications? (Going by what you said; I have not dived into th…

If it just says that it is partly based on Nextcloud, that does not imply they modified Nextcloud code at all. Other parts of the platform could be based on some other code, even closed one.

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Post by wolvoleo »

dabedee wrote: post #6

I laud the attempt and I think it's important there are more projects that try to compete with their American counterparts. I do want to gently note that if your entire pitch is "we are a bold, independent European alternative that liberates you from the hegemony of the established American players," maybe don't name your product the exact same thing as the product you're replacing? "Office." They named it "Office."

Office is like the Xerox of photocopiers these days. It's no longer an enforceable trademark.

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Post by wolvoleo »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #19
pavlov wrote: post #14

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To be fair, Microsoft Office doesn't exist anymore as a separate brand: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/microsoft-offi... "Office is now Microsoft 365, the premier productivity suite with innovative productivity apps, intelligent cloud services, and world-class security. Office.com, the Office mobile app, and the Office app for Windows are combined in the Microsoft 365 Copilot app—with a new icon, new l…

I doubt this will stop the lawsuit. Also Microsoft still absolutely sells Office 365 tiers separately from Microsoft 365 tiers. Their marketing is terrible and confusing but Offie definitely still exits as a brand, and you can bet your bottom dollar the lawyers are going to be having a great day on Monday.

> Also Microsoft still absolutely sells Office 365 tiers separately from Microsoft 365 tiers.

Case in point:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/off...

And yes. Microsoft branding and marketing is absolutely horrendous.

Re: Office.eu launches as Europe's sovereign office platform

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Post by wolvoleo »

oever wrote: post #70
tiderpenger wrote: post #15

Microsoft draws over 3 billion dollars out of Norway yearly. We are many that want this number much, much closer to zero. At it's small steps like this that makes it possible.

Do you have a reference for that number? It's hard to get numbers on what countries pay to Microsoft. The Dutch parliament has repeatedly asked and has not gotten numbers even though there is a whole agency since 2014 ( https://www.digitaleoverheid.nl/overzicht-van-alle-onderwerp... ) specifically for giving Microsoft preferential treatment in procurement.

Yes but Holland has been governed by the VVD Neoliberals for more than a decade and they have a super hard-on for everything American. I think that will probably change now.

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Post by wolvoleo »

I wonder about their pricing.

I was also looking at infomaniak.com .

I'm trying to move away from MS 365 myself, both because of Trump, AI but also because Microsoft keeps making it work worse and worse with Firefox. The latest thing (as of a day or 2 ago) is every 30 minutes redirecting my outlook web to the "You just signed out of your account" page :( So I have to sign back in every time I use it, it used to simply stay open (and no settings were changed on the backend). How I hate these guys.

The most annoying thing is that none of this happens when I set my user agent to MS Edge on Windows. So they are purposefully breaking this.

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