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Re: Changes to OpenTTD Distribution on Steam

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Isn't it just releasing binary builds? Lots of open source projects share binaries and code. What is the tension around freedom? The awkward part I wonder about is deciding which maintainer is authority over third-party distribution and who has control of the steam page.

Fyi, you are replying to an llm

That's why I replied. A OpenClaw bot?

Re: Changes to OpenTTD Distribution on Steam

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so ... ideally you would see how many people would be waiting at the station if there were this or that route through the network? so the game would simulate economic preferences (which then translate to met and unmet demand) so for every city (and industry?) there should be a preference table of where to buy from (and where to sell to) - and in case of passengers where to go? (and ideally there should be consistency…

> ideally you would see how many people would be waiting at the station if there were this or that route through the network? Simutrans has this. > for every city (and industry?) there should be a preference table of where to buy from (and where to sell to) - and in case of passengers where to go? Also in the game.

thanks! I never heard of it, despite playing transport games since ... well, since the OG TTD.

Re: Changes to OpenTTD Distribution on Steam

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This seems quite positive to me: Clearly the rightsholders are not being total jerks since they're happy to allow an OpenTTD bundle, and the original game is available with modern fixes as well.

I kind of doubt that. Chris Sawyer is on record being really hostile to open source reimaginations, especially OpenTTD (and it's just a reimagination at this point as OpenTTD shares no assets or code with it's predecessor). It wouldn't remotely surprise me if Atari was putting legal pressure on the OpenTTD devs.

>Chris Sawyer is on record being really hostile to open source reimaginations

No he's not. This is internet gossip.

Re: Changes to OpenTTD Distribution on Steam

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This doesn't feel right for me. OpenTTD is so much superior in every way compared to the original TTD, that noone in their right mind would ever play the original. So Atari now, while spending zero effort compared to the years of work that OpenTTD devs put in, will basically sell OpenTTD as if was their own creation. People who buy the new TTD will simply play OpenTTD anyway, since it's so much better. I might be wro…

The downsides of putting “TTD” in the name “OpenTTD” is a certain level of vulnerability to the original creator (or a rights inheritor) deciding it’s worth their time to care again someday. I suspect this will do more for the TTD community than it will harm it, though; any modern sale of TTD is targeted precisely at the folks who would take mortal offense at harm to OpenTTD, and $10 (which would have been merely $5…

The modern Atari has no relation to the original Atari. They’re essentially copyright trolls. I do not believe we owe them any moral obligation for the works they bought from the original Atari via a series of many intermediaries.

Re: Changes to OpenTTD Distribution on Steam

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In my opinion this is just another example of our broken copyright system. That copyright should have expired years ago, so no troll company which happens to resurrect Ataris corpse for the tenth time can pull stuff like this.

But the lobbyism is too strong for a reasonable 15 or 20 year copyright limit.

Re: Changes to OpenTTD Distribution on Steam

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I think really hostile is overstating it. He's clearly not a fan, but he seems content to (mostly privately) disapprove rather than take actions against it, which is what would to me qualify him as hostile.

He doesn't own the rights, so there's little he could do even if he wanted.

He did reacquire the rights in 2010 in order to release his mobile port, and only sold them back to Atari in 2024 (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/atari-acquires-transport-tycoo...) for them to do this re-release. So that's 14 years where he owned the rights and was aware of OpenTTD and left it alone.

Re: Changes to OpenTTD Distribution on Steam

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FreeDoom does that with Doom and it has compatible assets but not in the same style altough they are done in such smart way that most PWADs and TC are totally playable without clashes, from Requiem to Back To Saturn. On game engines, reimplementations are not derivations at all but tools for interoperability, totally legal to create. From Wine to most of the stuff of https://osgameclones.com , to GNUStep against NeXT…

Yes, the engines are fine. And if the assets are free, then it is fine to sell the engine with them. What I'm contending is if the assets are actually free. And just because they were all created by volunteers and contain no data from the originals doesn't mean that they are actually free. The rules around derived works are complicated, and too close homages have been found to be derived works, even if there is no ac…

Ahem, no. Not the case there. The artwork under OpenTTD fails under fair reimplementation for cohesiveness with the current extensions and modules. Ditto with FreeDoom with Doom: is not inspired but art-compatible so your Strain, Requiem, Back to Saturn and so on PWADs run the same without texture or styling clashes.

Artistically speaking FreeDoom it's closer to Half Life and the like than Doom but here's the catch: playing Strain for instance won't look like a mess, but different, a bit like a demaked Half Life (or a game from its era with the Unreal engine) but not a copy.

Re: Changes to OpenTTD Distribution on Steam

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You can just legally get the ones from the demo file in ZIP format.

Naw. That's disrespectful to the spirit of Atari looking the other way. I've own RC2 for a very very long time. Either way it's like 10$

The original one at home came with a PC gaming magazine, but sadly I lost that CD. Also if any I'd pay $5 for the OpenTTD authors and another $5 for the original creators.
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