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Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by awesome_dude »

Someone1234 wrote: post #70
zitterbewegung wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a novelty it will crush the low end of the PC market. No one cares if the next iteration will be better with 12GB of ram. The workloads that people say that 8GB can't handle will be ones that the actual users will either wait or tolerate. I've been noticing that people who review the Macbook Neo basically don't get the point [1] and just the headline of this article matters that VMs work and thats a big wi…

> This isn't a novelty it will crush the low end of the PC market. You took what I said out of context and then replied to something else . Running Parallels on a Neo is a novelty. Parallels is both what the thread is about AND what my reply was expressly about. Nobody can reasonably read what I wrote, in context, and believe I was referring to the computer itself as a novelty.

I saw the other day people complaining about AI slop being posted on this site by new accounts - which I agree is bad.

Someone suggested that people with 10k karma and/or 10 years subscription to this site should be able to do things (such as auto-ban) to those accounts.

The account that misrepresented your comment and thus acted in bad faith is one of those 10k+ accounts.

To me, this is a data point showing the fallacy of long term subscription and/or karma accrual as evidence of their quality/good faith abilities

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by duskwuff »

the_real_cher wrote: post #4

does that mean since this is the iPhone 16 cpu, by proxy the iPhone 16 can also run Windows in a virtual machine?

I mean, in principle you already can: https://getutm.app/

It doesn't work well - probably not at all for a modern version of Windows - but the tools exist.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by MBCook »

js2 wrote: post #89
stuxnet79 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly I'm not as knowledgable about this as I thought I was. I already have a Ubuntu x86 VM running on an Intel Mac (inside VirtualBox). Same with Windows 11. Can this tool allow me to run both VMs in an Apple Silicon device in a performant way? Last I checked VirtualBox on Apple Silicon only permits the running of ARM64 guests. While I have a preference for VirtualBox I'd say I'm hypervisor agnostic. Really any wa…

> Can this tool allow me to run both VMs in an Apple Silicon device in a performant way? I use VMWare Fusion on an M1 Air to run ARM Windows. Windows is then able to run Windows x86-64 executables I believe through it's own Rosetta 2 like implementation. The main limitation is that you cannot use x86-64 drivers. Similarly, ARM Linux VMs can use Rosetta 2 to run x86-64 binaries with excellent performance. For that I m…

Possible catch: Rosetta 2 goes away next year in macOS 27.

I don’t know what the story for VMs is. I’d really like to know as it affects me.

Sure you can go QEMU, but there’s a real performance hit there.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by MBCook »

torben-friis wrote: post #17
Tagbert wrote: post #3

Not surprising but good to hear. It seems that there really isn’t anything that runs on a new MackBook Air that you couldn’t run on a NEO. It might not be as fast for some things but it gets the job done.

Isn’t basically m1 air equivalent in specs? I’ve got that one and I’m yet to feel limited.

Ish. It’s better in some ways, like single core and maybe multi, but not by a ton. At the same time I think the M1 may have more raw GPU power, though missing a few fancy features.

Hardware is mostly worse, but that’s to be expected for the price. And nothing terrible, just little cuts all over.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by duskwuff »

joe_mamba wrote: post #30
havaloc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was quite a bit of discussion about that when the M1 first came out, but none of it really seemed to have happened six years later. The target audience isn't in danger of wearing it out and the ones that will push the limits will grow tired of it and sell it in a year or two or move on to the Neo 2, which might have 12gb of ram due to the expected chip. I still think it's a great machine, but I think all these…

>There was quite a bit of discussion about that when the M1 first came out, but none of it really seemed to have happened six years later. 1. How do you know nothing happened? Define nothing in this case. Do Mac users check and report their SSD wear anywhere? 2. Didn't the OG 256gb M1 have 2 128MB NAND chips instead of one 256 meaning better wear resistance?

> Do Mac users check and report their SSD wear anywhere?

As a data point: I got a 14" MacBook Pro with a 512 GB SSD the first day it was available in 2021, and I've used it daily since then.

According to the SMART data ("smartctl -x /dev/disk0"), the SSD "percentage used" is 7%, with ~200 TBW. At this rate, the laptop will probably outlive me.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by MBCook »

xeromal wrote: post #12
donatj wrote: post #10

Was that in doubt?

It uses the iphone processor (which I think still might be one of those Mchips?) so I think it was ok to be unsure.

The M line was derived from the A line in the phones, and the individual cores are generally the same (though not in the same year). Counts, accelerators, other stuff on package/die is custom.

I think it was a fair question too. Even if things should be capable it was always possible the feature would be disabled in hardware or software somehow.

And with iPhones never running VMs as far as I know, we didn’t know if it was capable at all.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by windowsrookie »

joe_mamba wrote: post #106
windowsrookie wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reality is most 8GB M1 Macs are still working just fine 6 years later. Power users know they need more than 8GB of RAM and will buy a MacBook Air or Pro with 16GB+. The MacBook neo is for students, grandparents, travel, etc. Hell, even if it dies after 6 years it was still a better experience than using a $500-600 windows PC and the cost comes out to ~$8/month spread over 6 years.

>The reality is most 8GB M1 Macs are still working just fine 6 years later. Do you think SSD drives are replaceable for no reason? Just because M1 mac aren't failing left and right doesn't mean their NAND won't fail. Even though I like the NEO, I can't in good faith buy a machine with soldered wearable parts. That's like buying a car with soldered brake pads because "in 6 years average users don't feel like they need…

"How many M1 mac will still be functional in 20 years?"

Probably quite a few, MacBooks have had soldered SSD's for over 10 years now. My 2018 McBook Pro still has a perfectly functioning SSD. I still see people using 2015 and older MacBooks all the time. There is no widespread SSD failure issue after 10+ years of Apple soldering the SSD's.

For most people the SSD's are lasting longer than the useful life of the device.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by MBCook »

nsxwolf wrote: post #15
crazysim wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. It's the first production Mac using an A-chip and is a Mac that has had many things cut out for savings. The question is did Apple feature cut required functionality.

The first Apple Silicon developer boxes were Mac Minis with A series chips so I wouldn’t have expected any issues.

But they also had iPad chips, not iPhone.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by zitterbewegung »

awesome_dude wrote: post #121
Someone1234 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This isn't a novelty it will crush the low end of the PC market. You took what I said out of context and then replied to something else . Running Parallels on a Neo is a novelty. Parallels is both what the thread is about AND what my reply was expressly about. Nobody can reasonably read what I wrote, in context, and believe I was referring to the computer itself as a novelty.

I saw the other day people complaining about AI slop being posted on this site by new accounts - which I agree is bad. Someone suggested that people with 10k karma and/or 10 years subscription to this site should be able to do things (such as auto-ban) to those accounts. The account that misrepresented your comment and thus acted in bad faith is one of those 10k+ accounts. To me, this is a data point showing the fall…

I admit now after rereading that I did misrepresent what they said and I should have read their comment more closely and it was a knee jerk reaction and that its my fault.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by zitterbewegung »

Someone1234 wrote: post #70
zitterbewegung wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a novelty it will crush the low end of the PC market. No one cares if the next iteration will be better with 12GB of ram. The workloads that people say that 8GB can't handle will be ones that the actual users will either wait or tolerate. I've been noticing that people who review the Macbook Neo basically don't get the point [1] and just the headline of this article matters that VMs work and thats a big wi…

> This isn't a novelty it will crush the low end of the PC market. You took what I said out of context and then replied to something else . Running Parallels on a Neo is a novelty. Parallels is both what the thread is about AND what my reply was expressly about. Nobody can reasonably read what I wrote, in context, and believe I was referring to the computer itself as a novelty.

Sorry, I misread your post I can't edit it anymore and I should have read into your post and it was a knee jerk reaction on my part.
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