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Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Post by ido »

stavros wrote: post #35

I don't see a very big reason mentioned: You might not need it at all. Sure, the optimal age to freeze might be 19, but if 80% of women are done with children by age 30, why would you have every woman spend the equivalent of buying a small car on something they're overwhelmingly not going to need? Waiting to get a good balance of "your eggs are still reasonably healthy" and "if you haven't had kids until now, it'll p…

> if 80% of women are done with children by age 30

Is this assumption based on anything? Not saying you're wrong, after all the majority of the world's population live in poor countries where people have children younger. But at least In my social circles it'd be more accurate to say 80%+ of women start having children at age 30 (or later) then are done with it. And I know multiple women who had their first child at 40+!

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Post by thefz »

davidelettieri wrote: post #25

Having done IVF with my wife I think this is the most underrated fertility advice available today. I don't understand why governments of countries with increasing average age and low birth rate don't pay for this for all women. This is one the best pro-family policies that can be implemented.

Because infertility may not be the only reason behind people not procreating in 2026?

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Post by Zababa »

Aurornis wrote: post #106
rsynnott wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the website is called lesswrong.com, and not correct.com.

I tried not to comment directly on the site because I wanted my points to stand on their own. However, Lesswrong has a long history on the internet. It’s part of the “rationalist” writing sphere which has become oddly preoccupied with topics like race and IQ, eugenics-adjacent topics, and never ending flirtations with reactionary ideologies.

That is true but also a bit unfair, they've also been oddly preoccupied with topics like trying to help the most people and frequently promote giving money to efficient charities to fight against malaria, vitamin A deficiencies and help vaccinate children in very poor countries.

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Post by ml-anon »

drakonka wrote: post #44
davidelettieri wrote: post #25

Having done IVF with my wife I think this is the most underrated fertility advice available today. I don't understand why governments of countries with increasing average age and low birth rate don't pay for this for all women. This is one the best pro-family policies that can be implemented.

Most 19 year olds probably wouldn't opt into injecting themselves twice a day for weeks and dealing with the side effects of the injections, then the subsequent extraction procedures (likely for multiple rounds) even if it was paid for. Which is reasonable, considering most women who want children will have them without IVF and don't need to go through any of that.

yeah, what the fuck? This comment section is utterly fucking insane.

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Post by ml-anon »

SoftTalker wrote: post #52
stavros wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also the optimal age to not have children! You're still figuring out your life, probably no stable partner or job, time to do some stuff you'll regret later, etc.

Yes, I was only speaking biologically. "Figuring out your life" was not a thing when humans evolved.

nah you're only speaking out of your ass

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Post by ml-anon »

znpy wrote: post #72
bad_haircut72 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peoples 40s and 50s are their most productive years. We would be better off just letting people take 10 years off in their twenties - but most people would just party party party (what they do anyway)

Given two parents, there are four grandparents. Sharing the load across six people is much better than sharing between two.

have you heard of people not surviving into old age, or not being present or not being able to take care of kids? What the fuck is wrong with people in this comment section?

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Post by ml-anon »

Aurornis wrote: post #48

This is an article that you need to read critically, beyond the headline. Even a few paragraphs down they say this: > The optimal age to freeze eggs varies depending on the source and metric, but almost all sources agree it's sometime between 19 and 26. So there's some heavy bias inserted already into the title. The next chart shows a peak around 19, but if you read the fine print it's not a chart about eggs at all.…

Yes, this is utterly fucking bonkers.

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Post by yifanl »

Zababa wrote: post #123
Aurornis wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried not to comment directly on the site because I wanted my points to stand on their own. However, Lesswrong has a long history on the internet. It’s part of the “rationalist” writing sphere which has become oddly preoccupied with topics like race and IQ, eugenics-adjacent topics, and never ending flirtations with reactionary ideologies.

That is true but also a bit unfair, they've also been oddly preoccupied with topics like trying to help the most people and frequently promote giving money to efficient charities to fight against malaria, vitamin A deficiencies and help vaccinate children in very poor countries.

That's their marketing pitch, but revealed preferences are stronger signals than stated ones.

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Post by stavros »

ido wrote: post #121
stavros wrote: post #35

I don't see a very big reason mentioned: You might not need it at all. Sure, the optimal age to freeze might be 19, but if 80% of women are done with children by age 30, why would you have every woman spend the equivalent of buying a small car on something they're overwhelmingly not going to need? Waiting to get a good balance of "your eggs are still reasonably healthy" and "if you haven't had kids until now, it'll p…

> if 80% of women are done with children by age 30 Is this assumption based on anything? Not saying you're wrong, after all the majority of the world's population live in poor countries where people have children younger. But at least In my social circles it'd be more accurate to say 80%+ of women start having children at age 30 (or later) then are done with it. And I know multiple women who had their first child at…

No, the number is made up, I'm saying that there's a point where the advice makes sense. Whether or not that's actually the case now is then a matter of statistics.
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