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Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by Balgair »

cmiles8 wrote: post #44

All this demonstrates how non-sticky all this tech really is. When your product is basically just an API call it’s trivial to just swap you out for someone else. As such it’s unclear what the prize at the end of the present race to the bottom is. We swapped OpenAI out for Claude and it required updating about 15 lines of code. All these guys are just commodity to us. If next week there’s a better supplier of commodit…

→All these guys are just commodity to us.

Just want to note something there:

Okay, premise that AI really is 'intelligent' up to the point of business decisions.

So, this all then implies that 'intelligence' is then a commodity too?

Like, I'm trying to drive at that your's, mine, all of our 'intelligence' is now no longer a trait that I hold, but a thing to be used, at least as far as the economy is concerned.

We did this with muscles and memory previously. We invented writing and so those with really good memories became just like everyone else. Then we did it with muscles and the industrial revolution, and so really strong or endurant people became just like everyone else. Yes, many exceptions here, but they mostly prove the rule, I think.

Now it seems that really smart people we've made AI and so they're going to be like everyone else?

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by EQmWgw87pw »

Balgair wrote: post #121
cmiles8 wrote: post #44

All this demonstrates how non-sticky all this tech really is. When your product is basically just an API call it’s trivial to just swap you out for someone else. As such it’s unclear what the prize at the end of the present race to the bottom is. We swapped OpenAI out for Claude and it required updating about 15 lines of code. All these guys are just commodity to us. If next week there’s a better supplier of commodit…

→All these guys are just commodity to us. Just want to note something there: Okay, premise that AI really is 'intelligent' up to the point of business decisions. So, this all then implies that 'intelligence' is then a commodity too? Like, I'm trying to drive at that your's, mine, all of our 'intelligence' is now no longer a trait that I hold, but a thing to be used, at least as far as the economy is concerned. We did…

Well as of right now, mathematically and scientifically, the way an LLM works has nothing to do with how the human brain works.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by Grimblewald »

didip wrote: post #120

Suffering from success in a good way. ChatGPT truly lost all of its edge.

Well c-suite lied to everyone and was dealing in bad faith. When thay came to light they immediatly lost support and interest from highly skilled researchers in the area, from that point onward, their only additional offerings would be whatever tech evangelists can rustle up, so nice ui some cool features etc. But really ground breaking stuff that takes celever engineering or the kind of thinking that cannot be taught/approximated? Gone. So OpenAI, despite its massive headstart, will just continue to fall behind. When youre smart enough money stops mattering beyond keeping a roof over your head and food in your mouth. At that point your world view and personal beleifs become far more valuable, and smart people always come to the conclusion violence is never worth it, ve it physical, information based, social, meotional, whatever. OpenAI is an incredibly violent company, so inherently scares off talent.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by ryandvm »

HotHotLava wrote: post #57
cmiles8 wrote: post #44

All this demonstrates how non-sticky all this tech really is. When your product is basically just an API call it’s trivial to just swap you out for someone else. As such it’s unclear what the prize at the end of the present race to the bottom is. We swapped OpenAI out for Claude and it required updating about 15 lines of code. All these guys are just commodity to us. If next week there’s a better supplier of commodit…

It's an ironic situation; logically what should be the moat are the models, costing hundreds of millions of investment cost to train and operate so it would make sense if we see different provider focusing in different directions. But right now we have 3-5 top contenders that are so evenly matched that the de-facto sticking point is mostly the harness, ie. the collection of proven plugins/commands/tools/agent feature…

Ironic indeed. The Great Replacers of white collar jobs are finding themselves easily replaceable. Delicious.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

latchkey wrote: post #81
spiffytech wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately this is why Anthropic is so aggressive about preventing Claude subscriptions from being used with other tools.

According to this article, they can't even service the amount of paying customers that they have.

They should put their prices up then.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by LaurensBER »

causal wrote: post #46
LaurensBER wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI and Github Copilot do explicitly allow this, so do many of the new/Chinese providers such as Synthetic, Z.ai, etc. Anthropic is the outlier here, obviously they can limit their subscriptions as they want but it's a major disadvantage compared to their competitors.

> OpenAI ... explicitly allow this Explicit means it's stated in OpenAI docs somewhere, but I can't find it. Link?

https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2009742187484065881

There's probably a better source somewhere but this is the one I had at hand.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by coldtea »

Balgair wrote: post #121
cmiles8 wrote: post #44

All this demonstrates how non-sticky all this tech really is. When your product is basically just an API call it’s trivial to just swap you out for someone else. As such it’s unclear what the prize at the end of the present race to the bottom is. We swapped OpenAI out for Claude and it required updating about 15 lines of code. All these guys are just commodity to us. If next week there’s a better supplier of commodit…

→All these guys are just commodity to us. Just want to note something there: Okay, premise that AI really is 'intelligent' up to the point of business decisions. So, this all then implies that 'intelligence' is then a commodity too? Like, I'm trying to drive at that your's, mine, all of our 'intelligence' is now no longer a trait that I hold, but a thing to be used, at least as far as the economy is concerned. We did…

>So, this all then implies that 'intelligence' is then a commodity too? Like, I'm trying to drive at that your's, mine, all of our 'intelligence' is now no longer a trait that I hold, but a thing to be used, at least as far as the economy is concerned.

This is obviously already the case with the intelligence level required to produce blog posts and article slop, generade coding agent quality code, do mid-level translations, and things like that...

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by coldtea »

EQmWgw87pw wrote: post #122
Balgair wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

→All these guys are just commodity to us. Just want to note something there: Okay, premise that AI really is 'intelligent' up to the point of business decisions. So, this all then implies that 'intelligence' is then a commodity too? Like, I'm trying to drive at that your's, mine, all of our 'intelligence' is now no longer a trait that I hold, but a thing to be used, at least as far as the economy is concerned. We did…

Well as of right now, mathematically and scientifically, the way an LLM works has nothing to do with how the human brain works.

The way this thing "looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck" has nothing to do with the way a real duck "looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck".

Who cares, as long as the end results are close (or close enough for the uses they are put to)?

Besides, "has nothing to do with how the human brain works" is an overstatement.

"The term “predictive brain” depicts one of the most relevant concepts in cognitive neuroscience which emphasizes the importance of “looking into the future”, namely prediction, preparation, anticipation, prospection or expectations in various cognitive domains. Analogously, it has been suggested that predictive processing represents one of the fundamental principles of neural computations and that errors of prediction may be crucial for driving neural and cognitive processes as well as behavior."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2904053/

https://maxplanckneuroscience.org/our-brain-is-a-prediction-...

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by selfhoster11 »

Max-Ganz-II wrote: post #107
groestl wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are so evenly matched It's because the real value of the models is in what we (humanity) fed them, and all of them have eaten the same thing for free.

To stop this, I today put most of my Amazon Redshift research web-site behind a basic auth username/password wall. It's all remains free, but you need to email me for a username and password. If I put in time and effort to make content and OpenAI et al copy it and sell it through their LLM such that no one comes to me any more, then plainly it makes no sense for me to create that content; and then it would not exist…

Please add Internet Archive's bot to your auto-allows, at least. Their bot is presumably well behaved, and for public benefit.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by replwoacause »

LaurensBER wrote: post #2

I really enjoyed using Claude but the ever changing limits, weird policies (limited to Claude Code, you can't run Openclaw, etc) made switching a very easy choice. OpenAI simply provides more value for the money at the moment.

The limits are what did it for me. They kept boasting about Opus performance and improvements, practically begging me to try it out, and when I did, it totally obliterated my usage. I'm sure its good, but I stick to Sonnet because I've been burned bad. Never had that problem with ChatGPT, but it turns out they're just unprincipled and evil, which is a shame.
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