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Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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> self incriminate well, if they weren't doing something that would've otherwise been deemed illegal, then why would they consider it self-incriminating to have to follow KYC/AML rules?

If you haven't broken the law, why would you be willing to come down to the jail and breakfast in a cell each morning?

only if you equate following a set of rules to being in jail.

Do you follow road rules? Why don't you apply that jail analogy to that?

Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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Unfortunately, it's not just elected officials that are problematic for prediction markets. The Secretary of War, for instance is not an elected official nor are leaders of the armed forces and there is definitely a prediction market for war. Multiply this by every powerful appointee and every career bureaucrat and see what kind of picture that paints.

If we're not going to ban prediction markets, we could at least make it a requirement that all bets are public and associated with a real identity. That'd go a long way towards curbing the corruption of these things, while preserving (or even greatly enhancing) their "predictive power."

I doubt that would change anything, in this era of shamelessness. Being corrupt has become a virtue, and winning lots of money is cool, doesn't matter if it was from gambling on war with insider trading.

I believe prediction markets and sports betting apps are societal failures that only serve to alienate the masses and further extract wealth to the top. Let's ban them all, we're not losing anything.

Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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I recall a few finance papers saying (paraphrasing) "approximately all private info is reflected in stock prices". The same is obviously true of prediction markets. If government officials are banned, they'll just give a little wink to a relative or friend, and the prediction markets will reflect the private information. On a personal note, I find these markets incredibly useful in day to day life. There's been a jok…

I think you're thinking of the efficient-market hypothesis. The hypothesis is that prices reflect all available information, and "available information" is the key part. The "strong form" includes private information, but research has not found support for this. And even the "semi-strong form" falls apart. For instance, the market for small cap stocks is not as efficient as the market for large cap stocks. You need a…

>Source: I have a PhD in capital markets.

Sort of on-topic Q for you: What is your general take on HN discussion on finance markets/technology. They don't come up often, but when they do, I find a majority of the comments show that people have very limited understanding of traditional capital markets (non VC).

I don't have a PhD but have worked in the industry for 20+ years mostly in trading technology across fixed income and equities.

Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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The interesting side effect of officials being banned is it reduces liquidity on geopolitical contracts, which makes the remaining prices less informative. Right now on Kalshi, some policy contracts have so little depth that a single 5k order can move the price 10+ cents. That thinness already makes the prices unreliable as forecasts — banning one of the most informed participant classes just makes it worse.

Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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Unfortunately, it's not just elected officials that are problematic for prediction markets. The Secretary of War, for instance is not an elected official nor are leaders of the armed forces and there is definitely a prediction market for war. Multiply this by every powerful appointee and every career bureaucrat and see what kind of picture that paints.

If I was a NOAA meteorologist I'd be making bank insider trading temperature prediction markets.

But wouldn’t that be a feature of the prediction market, not a bug?

If someone really smart knows what will happen, that will make the market’s predictive ability more accurate.

Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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Making insider/true expert information public more quickly in the form of influencing prices in a toy market is THE ENTIRE POINT of prediction markets. Read the original papers on them. http://li.mit.edu/Stuff/CNSE/Paper/Hanson90.pdf https://www.jstor.org/stable/3216893 https://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/insiderbet.pdf

Exactly.

What we don’t want, and what we should enforce, is participants in prediction markets influencing the events they’re betting on (like the recent basketball betting scandal).

Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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post #35

I recall a few finance papers saying (paraphrasing) "approximately all private info is reflected in stock prices". The same is obviously true of prediction markets. If government officials are banned, they'll just give a little wink to a relative or friend, and the prediction markets will reflect the private information. On a personal note, I find these markets incredibly useful in day to day life. There's been a jok…

I’m still calibrating my expectations on the accuracy of Polymarket.

For example, I’m guessing more liquidity in a market means a signal is more predictive. But how much volume is enough to make a signal reliable? What’s the scale? Is $100k unreliable and $100m really good?

Are there other factors that impact a signal’s predictive strength?

Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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Unfortunately, it's not just elected officials that are problematic for prediction markets. The Secretary of War, for instance is not an elected official nor are leaders of the armed forces and there is definitely a prediction market for war. Multiply this by every powerful appointee and every career bureaucrat and see what kind of picture that paints.

If we're not going to ban prediction markets, we could at least make it a requirement that all bets are public and associated with a real identity. That'd go a long way towards curbing the corruption of these things, while preserving (or even greatly enhancing) their "predictive power."

I’m not sure I agree - look at the crypto crime that happens as hackers breach databases and are able to link crypto holdings with human identities to target them.

Public trades will make people targets and that will create weird incentives.

https://apnews.com/article/crypto-bitcoin-kidnapping-wrench-...

Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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Why do “prediction” markets benefit from bets over nominal sums? Isn’t the power of them based on the wisdom of crowds? Wouldn’t capping bets at say $1 be better than trying to hunt down cheaters? Seems like they actually are less predictive if you can get more votes with larger amounts of money.

If the bets on a prediction market are capped, then even if you have a better-than-average prediction (for example, if are an expert on the topic the prediction market is about), you can't bet any more than a layman. So a prediction market with capped bets will always be less accurate.

Or taking a longer timeframe: if you think you are a great forecaster but aren't, and are very stubborn, with capped bets you might get to keep trading forever. With uncapped bets you lose all your money and can't trade anymore, leaving the markets to the people who are better than you at forecasting.

Re: Effort to prevent government officials from engaging in prediction markets

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Seems like you’d get a secondary proxy market popping up overnight. Like domain privacy for degenerates.

That's why you make the regulations like AML regulations, where it's a crime to obfuscate the source of the wager too.

One of the worst regulations in existence, and you want more of it?
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