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Re: GPT-5.4

#121

Beat Simon Willison ;) https://www.svgviewer.dev/s/gAa69yQd Not the best pelican compared to gemini 3.1 pro, but I am sure with coding or excel does remarkably better given those are part of its measured benchmarks.

This pelican is actually bad, did you use xhigh?

Re: GPT-5.4

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post #69

These releases are lacking something. Yes, they optimised for benchmarks, but it’s just not all that impressive anymore. It is time for a product, not for a marginally improved model.

The model was released less than an hour ago, and somehow you've been able to form such a strong opinion about it. Impressive!

One opinion you can form in under an hour is... why are they using GPT-4o to rate the bias of new models?

> assess harmful stereotypes by grading differences in how a model responds

> Responses are rated for harmful differences in stereotypes using GPT-4o, whose ratings were shown to be consistent with human ratings

Are we seriously using old models to rate new models?

Re: GPT-5.4

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that all frontier models are basically roughly even at this point. One may be slightly better for certain things but in general I think we are approaching a real level playing field field in terms of ability.

Benchmarks don't capture a lot - relative response times, vibes, what unmeasured capabilities are jagged and which are smooth, etc. I find there's a lot of difference between models - there are things which Grok is better than ChatGPT for that the benchmarks get inverted, and vice versa. There's also the UI and tools at hand - ChatGPT image gen is just straight up better, but Grok Imagine does better videos, and is f…

> If this rate of progress is steady, though, this year is gonna be crazy.

Do you want to make any concrete predictions of what we'll see at this pace? It feels like we're reaching the end of the S-curve, at least to me.

Re: GPT-5.4

#124
Anyone else feel that it’s exhausting keeping up with the pace of new model releases. I swear every other week there’s a new release!

Re: GPT-5.4

#125
post #121

Beat Simon Willison ;) https://www.svgviewer.dev/s/gAa69yQd Not the best pelican compared to gemini 3.1 pro, but I am sure with coding or excel does remarkably better given those are part of its measured benchmarks.

This pelican is actually bad, did you use xhigh?

yep, just double checked used gpt-5.4 xhigh. Though had to select it in codex as don't have access to it on the chatgpt app or web version yet. It's possible that whatever code harness codex uses, messed with it.

Re: GPT-5.4

#127
post #69

These releases are lacking something. Yes, they optimised for benchmarks, but it’s just not all that impressive anymore. It is time for a product, not for a marginally improved model.

The products are the harnesses, and IMO that’s where the innovation happens. We’ve gotten better at helping get good, verifiable work from dumb LLMs

Re: GPT-5.4

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that all frontier models are basically roughly even at this point. One may be slightly better for certain things but in general I think we are approaching a real level playing field field in terms of ability.

Benchmarks don't capture a lot - relative response times, vibes, what unmeasured capabilities are jagged and which are smooth, etc. I find there's a lot of difference between models - there are things which Grok is better than ChatGPT for that the benchmarks get inverted, and vice versa. There's also the UI and tools at hand - ChatGPT image gen is just straight up better, but Grok Imagine does better videos, and is f…

Gemini 3.1 slaps all other models at subtle concurrency bugs, sql and js security hardening when reviewing. (Obviously haven’t tested gpt 5.4 yet.)

It’s a required step for me at this point to run any and all backend changes through Gemini 3.1 pro.

Re: GPT-5.4

#129
Anyone know why OpenAI hasn't released a new model for fine tuning since 4.1? It'll be a year next month since their last model update for fine tuning.

Re: GPT-5.4

#130
post #111
post #69

These releases are lacking something. Yes, they optimised for benchmarks, but it’s just not all that impressive anymore. It is time for a product, not for a marginally improved model.

The model was released less than an hour ago, and somehow you've been able to form such a strong opinion about it. Impressive!

Benchmarks?

I don't use OpenAI nor even LLMs (despite having tried https://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/SelfHostingArtificialIntel... a lot of models) but I imagine if I did I would keep failed prompts (can just be a basic "last prompt failed" then export) then whenever a new model comes around I'd throw at 5 it random of MY fails (not benchmarks from others, those will come too anyway) and see if it's better, same, worst, for My use cases in minutes.

If it's "better" (whatever my criteria might be) I'd also throw back some of my useful prompts to avoid regression.

Really doesn't seem complicated nor taking much time to forge a realistic opinion.

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