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At 2'58'' you can see a frame of them projecting on Senate House, London.

During WW2 that was used by the Ministry of Information, and it inspired Orwell's description for the building of the Ministry of Truth. His wife Eileen worked in the building for the Censorship Department.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_House,_London

Re: Mullvad VPN: Banned TV Ad in the Streets of London [video]

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post #21

Personally I find the advert a bit confusing, even with an understanding of what they are trying to achieve and their business. Was expecting something along the lines of Led By Donkeys...

Awareness, I suppose.

>Mass Surveillance is a slippery slope. It does not belong in Free and Open Societies.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advance censorship is typically forbidden, for good reason. It's one thing to go after someone for lying, another thing to sit there all the time and try to make sure no lies are ever heard.

What's the difference? Efficacy in preventing lies from being aired?

when censored in advance, the governing body can prevent whatever they want and simply claim it was prevented because of lying. how are you going to know?

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>My British perspective: I don’t want advertisers free to lie as much as they want. Not exactly what happened here is it? A private company which somehow gets to approve ads rejected an advert complaining about a dystopian lack of privacy under a government that is actively trying to kill off privacy.

The private company "somehow" gets to approve ads because it's owned by the TV networks that air the ads. Better than needing separate approval from each network.

And yet still far worse than a publicly owned body that is accountable to voters rather than shareholders.

You might as well argue that it's better for visa to regulate the financial sector "because you wouldnt want the banks doing it individually".

Or that you should be happy with a punch in the face because a kick in the teeth is worse.

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#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't selling adblock. That's not the purpose of a vpn.

For the universal right to choose whether or not to block ads and trackers, Mullvad VPN https://mullvad.net/en/blog/how-were-knocking-down-ads-and-t... / https://archive.vn/TMnG6 https://mullvad.net/en/blog/how-set-ad-blocking-our-app / https://archive.vn/cfyPe

That's an extra service. I have it enabled but I don't recall it blocking much, an in-browser adblock is still required.

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post #57

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You are being pedantic. > Step 1: cryptically warn people that their rights are under attack. They are, UK is heavy surveillance, there is an article on Wikipedia dedicated just to this subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite... > Step 2: tell people that you have been banned from saying any more. They said their ad is "banned from TV" because they offer a way to circumvent internet surv…

Here's a wikipedia article about mass surveillance in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite... . It's longer.

what does the surveillance in the US have to do with a Swedish company and UK tv ads?

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post #6

> Mullvad was rejected by Clearcast, the organization responsible for approving all TV ads in the UK and ensuring they comply with the rules set by the authorities > “The overall concept lacks clarity.” “It is unclear why certain examples are included, who the ‘speaker’ represents, and the role of individuals depicted in the car.” > "Referencing topics such as: Paedophiles, Rapists, Murderers, Enemies of the state, J…

Do broadcast standards and practices for TV networks in the USA not extend to advertising? It would be very strange for them to e.g censor certain kinds of drug references in the programmes they produce and air, but then permit them in adverts, no?

There are rules. Networks have entire departments called Standards and Practices. But only because broadcasters don't pay for spectrum. Cable has laxer rules and almost none on anything streaming.

Across all of these, if any government or pseudo government body attempts to restrict advertising because of the content, they will get sued. Any advertiser making materially false claims will likewise also get sued.

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post #6

> Mullvad was rejected by Clearcast, the organization responsible for approving all TV ads in the UK and ensuring they comply with the rules set by the authorities > “The overall concept lacks clarity.” “It is unclear why certain examples are included, who the ‘speaker’ represents, and the role of individuals depicted in the car.” > "Referencing topics such as: Paedophiles, Rapists, Murderers, Enemies of the state, J…

> Maybe it's just from an American perspective, but this is absolutely wild to me. Even just the concept of a government-mandated pre-approval body for advertisement seems like a completely pants-on-head concept [1].

British perspective: the volume of your ads, the quickly spoken disclaimer, and the 'look at this cool prescription drug - ask your doctor!' are completely knickers-on-head.

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post #6

> Mullvad was rejected by Clearcast, the organization responsible for approving all TV ads in the UK and ensuring they comply with the rules set by the authorities > “The overall concept lacks clarity.” “It is unclear why certain examples are included, who the ‘speaker’ represents, and the role of individuals depicted in the car.” > "Referencing topics such as: Paedophiles, Rapists, Murderers, Enemies of the state, J…

> I think the American First Amendment would obliterate this government body and probably the whole institution if it was ever tried.

This is not a government body, Ofcom is the relevant government body, like the US has the FCC, which you are aware of. The FCC has broadcasting rules. Your supreme court upheld their ability to issue sanctions for violations. This has lead to broad self-censorship by US broadcasters in much the same way the UK has Clearcast, to the point that censorship of stuff like swearwords is a recognizable trait of quite a few TV shows exported from the US. In the past year there have been multiple cases of censorship in response to threats from the FCC and other government bodies, much worse situations than banning an ad. The first amendment has done nothing to stop this.

I'm not here to defend the UK, they have some extremely scary laws on the books, but the US is really not notably different on this front.

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