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yeah, everyone knows every European website is eventually down for 2 weeks. only the FAANG know how to keep websites up.
>only the FAANG know how to keep websites up Really FAANG can stop a solar-storm? A war on infrastructure? Remember that your website not just needs running computers but energy too, and a net that brings that information to the peoples, and those peoples devices need power too. Just look at the Berlin outage where people had to go to hotpots with generators to load the phone: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/07/europ…
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Re: Tell HN: MitID, Denmark's digital ID, was down
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
I respectfully disagree, but each with their own personal annoyances. Strips of paper and metal coins have a huge problem with forgery. Metal coins in particular can get very heavy very quickly. Goats have this issue that they can get sick and die. They also need to be fed. Goats have a massive advantage that while heavy, they can move around on their own. Not easily fractionable though. Salt is probably the best one…
You can disagree, that's fine. But anything you can touch has the risk of being forged or destroyed. The whole point of bank notes was that they're centrally backed- someone would take the responsibility of ensuring that it's hard to forge and backed by something "real". But centralising it so completely has pretty concrete drawbacks, which is fine, if your infrastructure is perfectly reliable and your banks are trus…
> A personal tragedy (losing some money) is materially different than the entire economy being screwed because of a programming issue, or a city being screwed because of an internet outage, or a person and their family being (additionally) screwed because they offended a politician.
If you live in a place where you can be financially screwed because you offended a politician, you have a lot more problems than if money is physical or not.
Also, you are disproportionately overstating the issues with digital money (I am still to see an example of a city being screwed because of Internet outage or programming issue). And you are also disproportionately shrugging away issues with physical money (it makes forgery and criminal activity much easier in many levels, to huge damage to society).
Re: Tell HN: MitID, Denmark's digital ID, was down
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You can disagree, that's fine. But anything you can touch has the risk of being forged or destroyed. The whole point of bank notes was that they're centrally backed- someone would take the responsibility of ensuring that it's hard to forge and backed by something "real". But centralising it so completely has pretty concrete drawbacks, which is fine, if your infrastructure is perfectly reliable and your banks are trus…
I still disagree. I personally welcome the move to less physical money. > A personal tragedy (losing some money) is materially different than the entire economy being screwed because of a programming issue, or a city being screwed because of an internet outage, or a person and their family being (additionally) screwed because they offended a politician. If you live in a place where you can be financially screwed beca…
you said you're "still to see an example of a city being screwed because of an internet outage or programming issue"- so let me help you out there.
july 2024: CHAPS goes down in the UK. that's the system that moves about £345 billion per day between high street banks. same week, crowdstrike takes out banking systems globally. two separate issues, one week, absolute chaos.
2018: visa has a hardware failure across europe. 5 million transactions just.. fail. ten hours. nothing. people standing at tills with money in their accounts and absolutely nothing to show for it.
square, fiserv, tsys - all had outages in the last few years, each one leaving tens of thousands of merchants dead in the water.
last i checked, payment outages cost US retail alone something like $44 billion a year. not a theoretical risk, just tuesday.
oh, and there's currently a ransomware attack on a payment processor called bridgepay that's knocked out card payments for multiple cities in texas, michigan, wisconsin.. still ongoing. https://cybersecuritynews.com/bridgepay-ransomware-attack/
you're right that i'm overstating nothing. these things happen constantly, and when they do, the blast radius is enormous compared to your wallet getting nicked.
the forgery point is fine, i already said physical money has problems too. but a forged tenner affects one person. a downed payment processor affects a country. those aren't comparable problems and treating them as such is what i'm pushing back on.
Re: Tell HN: MitID, Denmark's digital ID, was down
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Temporarily losing access is just inconvenience. Imagine the same but you lost the wallet with your only cash and your passport in pre-digital times, you are far from the nearest embassy and nobody understands your language. You are fully at the mercy of the locals and your money aren‘t coming back.
A wallet is a wonderful invention that allows you to lose all your important items in one fell swoop
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yeah, everyone knows every European website is eventually down for 2 weeks. only the FAANG know how to keep websites up.
>only the FAANG know how to keep websites up Really FAANG can stop a solar-storm? A war on infrastructure? Remember that your website not just needs running computers but energy too, and a net that brings that information to the peoples, and those peoples devices need power too. Just look at the Berlin outage where people had to go to hotpots with generators to load the phone: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/07/europ…
> stop a solar-storm
never heard of those taking out a data center, but i'm not highly educated on that one.
> A war on infrastructure
government datacenter will be first in line for fuel, generators, etc. A destroyed gov. datacenter would be the start of much more serious things to worry about.
> Just look at the Berlin outage where people had to go to hotpots
yeah, this one _is_ a little embarassing, but people who have to go to hotspots != datacenters
The original statement stands.
Re: Tell HN: MitID, Denmark's digital ID, was down
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> that the "money you have" is just an int32 well, luckily, that's not how money is stored, but instead, they're transaction based. Aka, that number you have is a calculated value, not a stored, arbitrary value. Except...perhaps the central bank's, where they could really just generate that money as an arbitrary value to lend out to other banks. footnote: of course, your account balance is cached, so that it is not r…
Seems like a distinction without difference in this context. The result of the "what is account x's current/available balance" is still some integer or decimal number.
I'm saying that this can't be done - at least, not without leaving such a large trail behind that it would be easily reverted, and relevant people prosecuted.
Re: Tell HN: MitID, Denmark's digital ID, was down
#128From a technical and user point of view, MitID have had less outages than Cloudflare, AWS and MS Azure in the last year. While I agree with the single point of failure, I also like that I setup my startup with all government and banking online via a login I had the last decade, painless and faster than most places without having to upload a single document in many a unsecured ways I heard from my US and Other European friends (outside the Nordic countries).
Yes we Danes trust our institutions more than others and trust is given by default and then lost, rather then "earned" (I would argue bought) in other places.
Re: Tell HN: MitID, Denmark's digital ID, was down
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Not an int32, but a BigDecimal.
Isn't it handled by COBOL or some other ancient language that only supports strings?
COBOL serializes everything to strings in a flat file.
We're currently planning on migrating the flat files to a Sybase DB.
Re: Tell HN: MitID, Denmark's digital ID, was down
#130I'm a British expat with a Danish job. I really dislike MitID and the Danish centralised world of (very good) public services that come with it. Each person has a number, CPR, which effectively defines your life solely to the state. Visit a library, doctor, tax man, anything official, and your ID is recorded. Buy alcohol online, go grocery shopping, use your bank card -- and sign in with it. This undoubtedly makes th…
Did they collectively close their eyes while Denmark was the latest, at EU presidency, in charge of pushing chat control?