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Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by bluesaunders »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #95
qq66 wrote: post #22

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It feels old because it hasn't changed in 5 years, but I personally appreciate that. All of the original mechanics make perfect sense, and the new mechanics (such as app folders and multitasking) have been introduced in a way that minimizes interference with the existing look and feel. As someone who uses a lot of music production apps that can't talk to each other, I do wish there was something like a filesystem, bu…

> It feels old because it hasn't changed in 5 years, but I personally appreciate that. And I think Apple is betting on a "conservative" majority that does not want change for the sake of change (I'm certainly part of it) - just observe how similar all the iPhones look, or all the laptops, displays... The only exception I can think of are the cheaper iPods.

And that's because they are cheap enough to buy on impulse, and/or to make an affordable gift for the holiday season that is clearly the hottest and newest available.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by [deleted] »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #95
qq66 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels old because it hasn't changed in 5 years, but I personally appreciate that. All of the original mechanics make perfect sense, and the new mechanics (such as app folders and multitasking) have been introduced in a way that minimizes interference with the existing look and feel. As someone who uses a lot of music production apps that can't talk to each other, I do wish there was something like a filesystem, bu…

> It feels old because it hasn't changed in 5 years, but I personally appreciate that. And I think Apple is betting on a "conservative" majority that does not want change for the sake of change (I'm certainly part of it) - just observe how similar all the iPhones look, or all the laptops, displays... The only exception I can think of are the cheaper iPods.

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Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by myko »

bane wrote: post #47
Steko wrote: post #28

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I don't see much stagnation: (1) Maps is probably the biggest thing they've done since the original phone's launch; (2) they are moving more and more of the interaction to voice every year; (3) they are moving more and more of the users' data to the cloud every year.

IMHO it's definitely running in place 1 - replaced what they already had and then moved it up to feature parity with the competitors 2 - pioneered it then let it sit, is Siri really that much better and personally assisting me today then at launch? 3 - which appears to be only a response to the competition's great cloud integration perhaps stagnation is too strong a word... tread-milling perhaps?

Wasn't Siri bought from another company which was already competing against similar products like Vlingo? Saying Apple pioneered it is a bit of a stretch. Especially considering how effective Android's voice commands were well before Siri was introduced.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by qq66 »

angryasian wrote: post #89
qq66 wrote: post #22

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It feels old because it hasn't changed in 5 years, but I personally appreciate that. All of the original mechanics make perfect sense, and the new mechanics (such as app folders and multitasking) have been introduced in a way that minimizes interference with the existing look and feel. As someone who uses a lot of music production apps that can't talk to each other, I do wish there was something like a filesystem, bu…

>All of the original mechanics make perfect sense this is the same thing thats spouted by fans of the iphone. We don't need a smaller ipad 10" is the perfect size. We don't need a bigger phone screen, this fits the perfect size for all hands. All this is said till Apple actually does it.

I'm not saying that there's no room for improvement. Frankly, I want a smaller iPhone, a pressure-sensitive display, and a physical button to take a picture that's always active. What I don't want is for any of these improvements to fundamentally change the way the phone UX works (i.e. moving to a menu system or something).

The only "bad" design elements, in my opinion, were notifications and Siri. They fixed notifications but I had to turn Siri off.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by cpeterso »

patrickk wrote: post #109
cpeterso wrote: post #88

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I'd like to an "Add to Home Screen" feature for phone contacts for one-tap dialing (like you can with browser bookmarks).

Wouldn't this just clutter up an already crowded home screen? I like the Favourites list in the phone app as it is. I suppose you could put Favourites as a folder on the home screen, but that would defeat the purpose since you're back to two taps for a call.

You could make the same arguments that adding browser bookmarks or more apps would clutter your home screen. I'm not suggesting that all contacts be added to the home screen, just a few that I call every day.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by snowwrestler »

ChrisClark wrote: post #20
Steko wrote: post #17

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"iOS is stagnant" iOS only seems stagnant because they don't have to trumpet every year about how they've finally gotten rid of ui lag or completely overhauled the system appearance. These are points in it's favor to most people.

I'd say it is stagnant because when you look at the design, it just feels old. I'm not much of a designer, I can't tell you why, but it just seems dated. Perhaps it is the skeuomorphism, maybe something else, but something is off about it now.

I see a lot of this type of sentiment here on HN, and I think it is because we are people who build technology and therefore study technology obsessively. Anything that stays the same for 5 years will feel ancient.

Most people, though, just want to use technology to accomplish other things. For them, radical interface changes reduce rather than improve value.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by snowwrestler »

brudgers wrote: post #46
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #38

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I wish this meme (that, in no uncertain terms, Apple dumped Google) woud die. This is a very large contract between two large, competing companies. If I were looking only at the impact of the iOS decision, I would have a hard time believing that Google didn't tell Apple to piss off, but I think even that reading is far too simplistic.

Perhaps it is too simplistic, but the alternative Apple chose suggests hubris. I suspect that TomTom or Garmin or even OpenStreetMap would have been glad to partner with them to develop an app to replace Google Maps. Instead, Apple chose a homegrown solution, quality be damned and then threw TomTom under the bus when Maps was released half baked. The decision to adopt not invented here as corporate policy backfired.…

Apple is using data from both Tom Tom and Open Street Map in the new iOS 6 maps.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078987/apple-tomtom-opens...

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by snowwrestler »

brudgers wrote: post #52
sedev wrote: post #43

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That comment didn't add anything to the discussion. The comparison you made is not helpful to anyone's understanding of the situation. Please don't do that. Hold yourself to a higher standard in the future.

The comment is non-offensive and draws an analogy between two organizations which used propaganda effectively. Comparing Mr. Gruber's writings to those of fellow travelers is a legitimate comment on the possibility of editorial bias in the original article. I It is useful because it places the article within a larger historical context. It extends the content, and on HN, that is appropriate.

Apple is hardly the only corporation whose tea leaves journalists and bloggers try to read.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by kunaalarya »

StavrosK wrote: post #101
krickle wrote: post #62

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Yes, but without the complete lack of consistency between what the home button does in an any given app.

It always, without a single exception, returns to the launcher.

I believe he meant that he wishes android would have a universal home button.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by StavrosK »

kunaalarya wrote: post #129
StavrosK wrote: post #101

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It always, without a single exception, returns to the launcher.

I believe he meant that he wishes android would have a universal home button.

I don't understand. How is a universal home button different from the home button it has now?
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