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Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

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#121

Ah, the classic AI startup lifecycle: We must build a moat to save humanity from AI. Please regulate our open-source competitors for safety. Actually, safety doesn't scale well for our Q3 revenue targets.

It's not just AI, replace "safe" with "open" and you will find a close match with many companies. I guess the difference is that after the initial phase, we are continuously being gaslighted by companies calling things "open" when they are most definitely not.

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Lotta just following orders going around in the US right now.

This isn’t just following orders. This was the government using its might to force a business to do what it wants. This should concern you.

How is that not “just following orders”? All orders from up the chain come with an implied “or else my might comes down on you”.

Most people do the right thing when it’s easy and profitable. Having ethics means doing the right thing even when it’s difficult.

Re: Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

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Safety pledges these days seem like pure bullshit anyway.

They’re pointless if they just get removed once you get close to hitting them.

And all the major corps seem to be doing this style of pr management. Speaks of some pretty weapons grade moral bankruptcy

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#124
Only well written legislation backed by effective enforcement and severe and personal criminal penalties will prevent large corporate entities from behaving badly.

Pledges are a cynical marketing strategy aimed at fomenting a base politics that works to prevent such a regulatory regime.

Re: Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

#125

I just want Apple and Linux to offer ASAP: 1. Extremely granular ways to let user control network and disk access to apps (great if resource access can also be changed) 2. Make it easier for apps as well to work with these 3. I would be interested in knowing how adding a layer before CLI/web even gets the query OS/browser can intercept it and could there be a possibility of preventing harm before hand or at least war…

> I mean CLI asks .. can I access this folder? Run this program? Download this? But they can just do that if they want! Make them ask those questions like apps asks on phones for location, mic, camera access.

Basicaly an EDR

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Foundational model provider manifesto: ‘While there’s value in safety, we value the Pentagon’s dollars more’

It turns out the biggest threat to AI safety is capitalism, who would have thought

Nick Land has basically been saying this since the 90s, if you can look past all the rhetoric

Re: Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

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Once they are a dominant market leader they will go back to asking the government to regulate based on policy suggestions from non-profits they also fund.

Is this sarcasm?

It is well know that big corporations take good regulations and change them to make them:

1. Easier to bypass for themselves.

2. Create extra work for incumbents.

3. Convince the public that the problems are solved so no other action is needed.

In many industries goverment and corporations work together to create regulations bypassing the social movements that asked for the industry to be regulated and their actual problems. The end result are regulations that are extremely complex to add exceptions for anything that big corporations paid to change instead of regulations that protect citizens and encourage competition.

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Foundational model provider manifesto: ‘While there’s value in safety, we value the Pentagon’s dollars more’

It turns out the biggest threat to AI safety is capitalism, who would have thought

I don’t get it. Even the Soviet Union used money. Simply paying for stuff isn’t necessarily capitalism? Or are you suggesting Anthropic should be state-owned?

Re: Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

#129

Developments like this make me less interested in building a "successful" tech company. It increasingly feels like operating at that scale can require compromises I’m not comfortable making. Maybe that’s a personal limitation—but it’s one I’m choosing to keep. I’d genuinely love to hear examples of tech companies that have scaled without losing their ethical footing. I could use the inspiration.

Maybe this is a weird arena to state the obvious. But you don't need to build a multi-billion vc/public company. Build a smaller revenue generating company without outside funding and it's up to you.

I get your point. The dilemma is whether to build something small that no one would bother compete against, or build something novel (which all of us want) but then risk someone with VC funding to come after.

That being said, I think I need to learn more about how to build smaller revenue generating good companies.

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Maybe it's how blunt this comment is that gets it downvoted, but I don't disagree.

No, it’s because it shows either a simplistic or needlessly confrontational view of the world. Unless you’re independently wealthy (as some in HN are), you have to balance your morals, your views of how things should work, feeding your family, and recognizing that you may not actually know everything. It’s easy to sit back and advise others that they should die on every single hill. But it’s not especially insightful…

I am pretty sure a lot of horrible things were performed by rather regular folks with similar logic, don't need to invoke some WWII nazi extermination guard reference at all. Slippery slope, death by 1000 cuts and other synonyms describing exactly this.
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