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VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Post by mrtksn »

szmarczak wrote: post #120
mrtksn wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your other posts are accusations about people and apparently you go after them on other sites too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46638491 I’m pretty sure if I keep pushing you enough eventually you’ll will make your life about going after me accusing me of who knows what. This means that your opinions should not to be taken seriously as your motivations are unclear. You should consider having a different hobby…

Yea sure Immich taking zero responsibility for possibly causing damages in hundreds of dollars and not warning their uses is fair, yeah, let them go. Maybe actually read the issues before judging? (oh noes, he blame them so he must be bad!) [1] https://szmarczak.com/immich.png [2] https://github.com/immich-app/immich/issues/25283 > you’ll will make your life about going after me accusing me of who knows what I have n…

I don’t care about immich etc, you just gave me the impression of someone who loves going after people. Your primary participation here appears to be for claiming that people committing scams, so I guess it’s your hobby. Maybe I am wrong but I also don’t see why we should argue as those scam claims are your opinions.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

#122

Post by szmarczak »

mrtksn wrote: post #121
szmarczak wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea sure Immich taking zero responsibility for possibly causing damages in hundreds of dollars and not warning their uses is fair, yeah, let them go. Maybe actually read the issues before judging? (oh noes, he blame them so he must be bad!) [1] https://szmarczak.com/immich.png [2] https://github.com/immich-app/immich/issues/25283 > you’ll will make your life about going after me accusing me of who knows what I have n…

I don’t care about immich etc, you just gave me the impression of someone who loves going after people. Your primary participation here appears to be for claiming that people committing scams, so I guess it’s your hobby. Maybe I am wrong but I also don’t see why we should argue as those scam claims are your opinions.

> I don’t care about immich etc, you just gave me the impression of someone who loves going after people

Man I don't want anything else but success for everybody. Once someone fs up, there's nothing bad in improving. Dismissing people because they are pointing bad things out doesn't help (referring to Immich).

> Your primary participation here appears to be fir claiming that are people committing scams

If their website makes fun of their "scam mark" (idonutbelieve.com), then maybe it's not just me? Maybe all other people from YT, Reddit, X are reasonably skeptical? If the battery turns out to actually be real, that's great! (I actually mean it.)

Having said all that, despite our disagreements, have a nice day. Maybe we just set off on a wrong foot and the future will be brighter.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Post by mrtksn »

szmarczak wrote: post #122
mrtksn wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t care about immich etc, you just gave me the impression of someone who loves going after people. Your primary participation here appears to be for claiming that people committing scams, so I guess it’s your hobby. Maybe I am wrong but I also don’t see why we should argue as those scam claims are your opinions.

> I don’t care about immich etc, you just gave me the impression of someone who loves going after people Man I don't want anything else but success for everybody. Once someone fs up, there's nothing bad in improving. Dismissing people because they are pointing bad things out doesn't help (referring to Immich). > Your primary participation here appears to be fir claiming that are people committing scams If their websi…

apologies then. have a nice one too.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Post by audunw »

hipsdontlie wrote: post #30

Here's the CEO Marko Lehtimäki selling his magic AGI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgJKjiDLV8 :D He's been a busy beaver!

It should be said that in the LinkedIn post announcing this the clams are much more moderate. Like “10% along what we consider to be AGI” and “lots of work left to do” if I remember correctly. How is that different from any other R&D company working on AI? They all claim to be on the path to AGI in some form

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Post by audunw »

xienze wrote: post #44
taneq wrote: post #29

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Tbh the exciting part isn’t so much the composition but whether it can actually meet the claimed performance. It could be made of wet gym socks for all I care if it can do 100k charge cycles at 90degC with comparable energy density and specific power to LiFePO.

But that’s the point I’m making. You’re taking the claims that Donut Labs is making about it being a new type of battery at face value. Having someone verify charging characteristics isn’t that helpful without simultaneously verifying that the battery actually is what they’re claiming.

How is he taking it at face value? He’s saying it doesn’t matter. Which it really doesn’t.

The reason solid state is exciting is the promised high energy density, and in some cases better safety. We shouldn’t care if it’s really “solid state” or not. That’s just marketing fluff. It doesn’t even really have a good definition as some chemistries are somewhere in between (sometimes described as semi-solid state).

This test confirms the charging speed and basically confirms the energy density (estimates people have done based on the video/report put it in the ballpark of what’s claimed)

You and I should really not demand a test that it’s actually solid state. That just doesn’t matter. We need energy density tests, cycle life tests, puncture tests, etc. If all those specifications are confirmed, whether it’s solid state or not becomes completely moot.

And in the end what truly matters is if it can be mass manufactured at low cost, which can’t be tested anyway. All these social media demands for tests are kind of ridiculous, since the only thing publishing the tests does is give Donut more PR. They’re basically laughing all the way to the bank considering how easy it has been to manipulate YouTube, Reddit and HackerNews into giving them free press. We will have another round in a week when the next test is published. I’m honestly impressed.

Personally I reserve all judgement until the promised bikes are on the road and torn down by third parties.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

Animats wrote: post #85

It's nice that they have what they claim is a solid state battery. But having a small prototype isn't that big a deal at this point. All the major players have prototype solid state batteries that work. Nobody has volume production yet, and volume production seems to be hard and expensive, according to CATL and Samsung. Mercedes has a test car with a solid state battery.[1] The battery is from Factorial Energy. There…

Precisely. People are questioning the wrong things, I find it really easy to believe that Donut has a 400Wh/kg battery that can do 11C charging. Because that's something that can be easily externally verified, and they are sending that battery out to testers, and also because the existence of such a battery isn't new or shocking, many labs have prototypes in roughly the same performance envelope.

But that doesn't mean they have a winner, if the battery was ridiculously expensive to make. Their claims about cost are much more suspicious, and they have shown no proof about them.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Post by eMPee584 »

mrtksn wrote: post #107
vardump wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AGI is human, general level. ASI is super human level. Says so in the acronym itself.

Completely false. There is nothing about humans in these acronyms.

With a bit of reading between the letters it seems obvious that for us anthropocentrics, humans are the implicit baseline measure for intelligence.
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