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Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by littlestymaar »

greyman wrote: post #35

But nobody says code is free(?). Certainly not Claude, that experimental compiler costs $20K to build. That openclaw author admitted in Lex Fridman talk that he spends $10k's on tokens each month.

Anthropic being valuated $380B makes $20k practically free for all intent and purpose.

Given how much they pay their developers, the Claud app probably cost at least 2, and likely 3, orders of magnitude more to build.

If their AI could do the same for $2m they'll definitely do that any day.

Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by selridge »

ra0x03 wrote: post #109
llbbdd wrote: post #87

This post and this entire thread are HN-sniping to the millionth degree. We have all the classics here: - AI bad - JavaScript bad - Developers not understanding why Electron has utility because they don't understand the browser as a fourth OS platform - Electron eats my ram oh no posted from my 2gb thinkpad

My guy if you can’t see the problem with a $300B SF company that of course claims to #HireTheBest having a dumpy UX due to their technical choices I don’t really know what to tell you. Same goes for these companies having npm as an out-of-the-box dependency for their default CLI tools. I’m going to assume anyone who thinks that every user’s machine is powerful enough to run electron apps, or even support bloated deps…

Presumably these competent people could look at electron, think about building their own cross-platform application on top of chromium and conclude that this free as in code and beer tool fit their needs.

Should they have re-written Chromium too?

Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by rustystump »

llbbdd wrote: post #87

This post and this entire thread are HN-sniping to the millionth degree. We have all the classics here: - AI bad - JavaScript bad - Developers not understanding why Electron has utility because they don't understand the browser as a fourth OS platform - Electron eats my ram oh no posted from my 2gb thinkpad

I mean my 24g mac at work lives in swap because everything is electron apps. I love JavaScript and the web, but ffs the ram usage IS out of control.

Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by st3fan »

chambored wrote: post #31
cedws wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Claude Code in Zed via ACP and have issues all the time. It pushes me towards using the CLI, but I don’t want to do things that way because it’s a vibe coding workflow. I want to be in the drivers seat, see what the agent has done and be able apply or reject hunks.

I’m in the same situation. Zed’s Claude Code is better in terms of control, but it’s wildly buggy and unreliable. Definitely not a drop in replacement.

File the bugs if you want to see things improved.

Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by rustystump »

selridge wrote: post #122
ra0x03 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guy if you can’t see the problem with a $300B SF company that of course claims to #HireTheBest having a dumpy UX due to their technical choices I don’t really know what to tell you. Same goes for these companies having npm as an out-of-the-box dependency for their default CLI tools. I’m going to assume anyone who thinks that every user’s machine is powerful enough to run electron apps, or even support bloated deps…

Presumably these competent people could look at electron, think about building their own cross-platform application on top of chromium and conclude that this free as in code and beer tool fit their needs. Should they have re-written Chromium too?

Bun exists and building a ui on too of that should be well within the power of the money they have. No one is saying to rebuild the universe but the current state is embarrassing.

Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by lioeters »

_2d30 wrote: post #58
slopinthebag wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm, but if not, you cant rely on the thing that produced invalid output to validate it's own output. That is fundementally insufficient, despite it potentially catching some errors.

Damn. Guess I'll stop QAing my own work from now.

This but unironically. Of course review your own work. But QA is best done by people other than those who develop the product. Having another set of eyes to check your work is as old as science.

Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by oytis »

teemur wrote: post #104
vasco wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Head of Claude Code at Anthropic 3 days ago: "Coding is largely solved" https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/head-of-claude-code-what-...

I'm not sure coding has ever been the hard part. Hard part (to me) has always been to be smart enough to know what, exactly, I (or somebody else) want. Or has someone heard of a case when someone says something like "These requirements are perfectly clear and unambiguous and do not have any undefined edge/corner cases. But implementing that is still really hard, much harder than what producing this unicorn requiremen…

But they already know what they want, they have it. Rewriting it to be more efficient and less buggy should be the lowly coding that is supposed to be solved

Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by danpalmer »

torginus wrote: post #66
alexfromapex wrote: post #37

I don't know why anyone uses Electron anymore, Tauri produces much smaller binaries and is amazing.

I don't know why anyone uses Tauri - disk space is cheap but having to handle QA and supporting quirks for every possible browser engine the users' system could ship with certainly is not.

It's a RAM issue not a disk space issue. Binaries get loaded into memory.

Also if you haven't heard, disk space is no longer as cheap, and RAM is becoming astoundingly expensive.

Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by neal_jones »

yodsanklai wrote: post #34

Because code isn't free. I can see it in my team. We've all been using Claude a lot for the last 6 months. It's hard to measure the impact, but I can tell our systems are as buggy as ever. AI isn't a silver bullet.

Dude, I blame all bugs on ai at this point. I suspect one could roughly identify AI’s entry into the game based on some metric of large system outages. Assume someone has already done this but…probably doesn’t matter.

Re: Why is Claude an Electron app?

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Post by jachee »

throwaw12 wrote: post #84
oytis wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point still stands. If you are so much more productive and have some of the most expensive engineers in the world, why not write something decent

Why rewrite if thing exists? You can use those expensive engineers to build more stuff, not rewrite old stuff

Why create Windows when MacOS exists?

Why create Linux when UNIX exists?

Why create Firefox when Internet Explorer exists?

Why Create a Pontiac when Ford exists?

Why do anything you think can be done better when someone else has done it worse?

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