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Re: Uncovering insiders and alpha on Polymarket with AI

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Not a farmer, but I believe they use weather derivatives to hedge and weather forecasts for predictions? Going through markets for weather forecasts is adding a level of indirection that generates a noisier signal. The idea when hedging isn't to win on expected value. It's to reduce risk. You're paying the market to provide insurance. As a side effect, insurance does sometimes generate interesting data. The insurance…

Good points, but commodity futures and stock prices take into account all sorts of information. They go haywire sometimes but given how hard it is to beat the market, they seem to do a pretty good job of aggregating it all.

As we learn from reading Matt Levine, they might also be taking into account signals that are irrelevant to you for technical reasons, or just nonsense. Often it works well but sometimes you get meme stocks.

Re: Uncovering insiders and alpha on Polymarket with AI

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> An interesting question is if agents are much better at querying data than humans, do we even need the awkwardness of SQL,

It’s an interesting question, my hunch is that for now “in-distribution reasoning” is going to be much more effective than custom data query APIs. But perhaps not! I’d read that paper.

Re: Uncovering insiders and alpha on Polymarket with AI

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> Similar story for lower levels of confidence therefore, the polymarket betting odds will reflect the truth - even if that info is a secret that nobody else but the insider knows. And if this is the case, then even an outsider could make use of the odds as a source of info which would ensure that market efficiency (which is about the flow of information) is high. So what's wrong with insider trading again?

It rewards blatant corruption? What's the benefit is the bigger question.

The benefit is that inside information becomes public information. The reward for the insider is just the necessary incentive for that to happen.

Re: Uncovering insiders and alpha on Polymarket with AI

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If I'm an insider with 100% confidence, I'll take all offers at a certain price as long as I can afford it. Similar story for lower levels of confidence (but still inside info). There won't necessarily be any left for you to copy at a viable price.

> Similar story for lower levels of confidence therefore, the polymarket betting odds will reflect the truth - even if that info is a secret that nobody else but the insider knows. And if this is the case, then even an outsider could make use of the odds as a source of info which would ensure that market efficiency (which is about the flow of information) is high. So what's wrong with insider trading again?

How is this distinguishable from pump-dump?

Re: Uncovering insiders and alpha on Polymarket with AI

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If I'm an insider with 100% confidence, I'll take all offers at a certain price as long as I can afford it. Similar story for lower levels of confidence (but still inside info). There won't necessarily be any left for you to copy at a viable price.

> Similar story for lower levels of confidence therefore, the polymarket betting odds will reflect the truth - even if that info is a secret that nobody else but the insider knows. And if this is the case, then even an outsider could make use of the odds as a source of info which would ensure that market efficiency (which is about the flow of information) is high. So what's wrong with insider trading again?

The issue comes from situations where the insiders can alter the answer to help their own bets. The simple example is the bet on how long a press conference will be: It's a ridiculous bet when the person giving said press conference can bet and fleece the market.

Will X country invade another before or after day X? A large enough market changes the answer, as the agent can change the decision. And we can see this kind of thing in many interesting questions.

Re: Uncovering insiders and alpha on Polymarket with AI

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That only makes sense in a hermetically sealed system, which this is very much not.

Yes, but is this a problem? Haven't most betting markets turned out to offer accurate predictions?

Not particularly so. But even if it were, would that justify the social cost of this kind of gambling?

Re: Uncovering insiders and alpha on Polymarket with AI

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Prediction markets can only pay out based on public information, which means that prediction markets can only "reveal information" like this for things that would have been public knowledge anyway. And insiders are always risking that leaking their insider info might influence the outcome of the bet against them (like if leaking the date of a covert military operation causes the operation to be rescheduled), so they'…

You're overlooking that sudden, unexplained or counterintuitive movements in the actual prediction market itself, well before the event occurs/market resolves can themselves convey information, about what apparent insiders think (or whales want to manipulate the market to think). Obvious example: Polymarket now has 69(!) markets involving Iran: https://polymarket.com/predictions/iran Consider the timing of those mark…

>Obvious example: Polymarket now has 69(!) markets involving Iran: https://polymarket.com/predictions/iran

You have not conveyed what information is thought by insiders in your example

Re: Uncovering insiders and alpha on Polymarket with AI

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> it's clear prediction markets like Polymarket incentivize sharing information I severely dislike these euphemisms used by prediction market enthusiasts. What exactly is the value of information like “most searched person on Google in year N”? Creating 10s of options to answer this question via gambling on Polymarket/Kalshi does not help anyone except their fellow degenerates. Heck, even events like “by N date the U…

Question the sanity or also could question the ethics.
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