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No Skill. No Taste

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Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by throw4847285 »

selridge wrote: post #116
throw4847285 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taste is not subjective. It's intersubjective. Subjective experiences are totally located within a particular subject. For example, "I'm hungry. I'm tired. I'm sad." Judgements of taste, on the other hand, implicate all other humans when they are made. They implicitly demand consensus in a way that is unlike any other subjective claims. This is the only possible explanation for why people will in one breath say, "it'…

I think you can lead yourself astray imagining that there’s a big difference between subjectivity and intersubjectivity. One is just a college educated term for the other. More importantly, I think that enough time has passed that we can critique poor old Kant on this matter. When he says the taste has no interest in something what he is really implicitly describing is that taste is the province of rich people. If on…

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Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by armchairhacker »

throw4847285 wrote: post #110
lubesGordi wrote: post #47

I don't know man. I'm writing a flashcard app, and I like it. It makes me happy and it works the way I want. Exactly how I want. BC I could never get into quizlet. Whatever. Maybe others will like it, maybe not, I don't care. Taste is subjective. Having 1 million todo apps, great. Maybe someone I know will find one they like and tell me about it. Maybe I'll find one that doesn't suck. Maybe I'll just make my own. One…

Taste is not subjective. It's intersubjective. Subjective experiences are totally located within a particular subject. For example, "I'm hungry. I'm tired. I'm sad." Judgements of taste, on the other hand, implicate all other humans when they are made. They implicitly demand consensus in a way that is unlike any other subjective claims. This is the only possible explanation for why people will in one breath say, "it'…

Ok, but there's no consensus that AI is bad taste. For example, I believe that AI art looks bad, but many boomers on Facebook apparently love it.

> "that's just your opinion man"...But we don't believe that

Why not? Many people have opinions I strongly disagree with, but I don't question that they actually have the opinion.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by bluefirebrand »

pulvinar wrote: post #59
bluefirebrand wrote: post #43

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Why would anyone bother creating or publishing anything new on the internet now that we know that AI companies are just waiting to hoover it up, without compensation, to enrich their models? Seeing how predatory these companies are in their scraping and then continuing to publish where they can scrape is the absolute height of stupidity

I'd like to see the internet return to those who aren't putting it out there for money, so AI companies (and anyone else) hoovering it up wouldn't bother them. Sharing should be the point. Would also result in fewer sites with ads -- yay!

Why wouldn't it bother you even if you weren't putting it put there for money?

Sharing is great. Having everything you share taken and monetized/weaponized is terrible

I'm looking for ways to build community that is resilient against LLMs, both scraping and also contributing. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your point of view) that means it can no longer happen online

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by lelanthran »

mlapeter wrote: post #12

Not sure if you'd consider this a counterpoint or just proving your point, but in the sea of AI slop there's also a real chance for people to create things that they couldn't before - my 7 year old is now able to nerd out and create games using claude even though he's just barely learned to read: https://www.kidhubb.com/play/meteor-dodge-solarscout64 It's not the prettiest but he's able to iterate on it and basically…

> my 7 year old is now able to nerd out and create games using claude even though he's just barely learned to read

Humans learn mastery by doing, not by watching.

I suppose it comes down to whether the most important skill for your kid is to give instructions, or whether it is to actually read and write.

For reference, my kid only just turned 6, and is at the level of reading books without pictures. I'm kinda proud that he reads better, faster and with more retention than kids aged 9, and it didn't come with the ease[1] that "nerding out" on Claude came to your kid.

The question you gotta ask yourself is this: is a skill that takes a 7 year old a day to master really going to make him more valuable than a skill that took a 6 year old 2.5 years to master?

The 6yo who can read can easily do what your kid did, but your kid can't easily do what the 6yo can.

From another PoV: how valuable of a skill do you think "prompting" is when a 7yo who hasn't mastered reading can master it?

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[1] I started a daily routine when he was 3.5 with the DISTAR alphabet. We did the routine every day, whether it was christmas, or his birthday, even on vacation. Same time, every day.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by lelanthran »

ForHackernews wrote: post #17
mlapeter wrote: post #12

Not sure if you'd consider this a counterpoint or just proving your point, but in the sea of AI slop there's also a real chance for people to create things that they couldn't before - my 7 year old is now able to nerd out and create games using claude even though he's just barely learned to read: https://www.kidhubb.com/play/meteor-dodge-solarscout64 It's not the prettiest but he's able to iterate on it and basically…

But will he learn to read?

> But will he learn to read?

Of course he will, just not well. The point of the GP is that he doesn't need to learn anything because the AI can understand his verbal instructions.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

I have no taste with web design and haven’t touched web dev in a decade. I absolutely hate web development and usually delegate it.

On a (consulting) project I’m leading/doing the implementation, it was specifically called out that a web UI was out of scope. But after talking to them and seeing the lay of the land, they really needed a website to manage the AWS implementation and it would help me to.

I put together and ugly internal website that will only probably be used by three or four people. I vibe coded the entire website including authentication with Amazon Cognito. The only thing I personally validated was that unauthorized users couldn’t get to it and that the database user had the appropriate permissions.

That website wouldn’t have been created at all before AI. Is it pretty? Hell no, it looks like something when I wrote an internal website in 2002 in classic ASP. Did I look at a line of code? Nope

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by lelanthran »

embedding-shape wrote: post #27
cjonas wrote: post #22

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Because it's easier to clone someone else's "good taste" by just mimic'ing their formula / ripping of their exact implementation of a feature/ui. The gap between "first to get it right" and "everyone else catches up" could become non-existent in software. You'd need to continuously innovate (I think to some degree, this has always been the case, but it's the tempo that has changing). > Why is it easy to copy? I think…

> Because it's easier to clone someone else's "good taste" by just mimic'ing their formula / ripping of their exact implementation of a feature/ui. But then you've only copied one of their choices made by their good taste, not actually copied their taste. If a new situation arises, you won't be able to make the same choice as they would. Basically, it doesn't generalize.

> If a new situation arises, you won't be able to make the same choice as they would.

They won't be able to, but they won't need to either - they can just continue cribbing off the original person, or if they are unable to continue cribbing off the same person, they'll find someone else to crib off.

The point is, for all these people outsourcing their thinking, they will always have someone to crib off.

Re: No Skill. No Taste

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Post by fao_ »

throw4847285 wrote: post #121
selridge wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can lead yourself astray imagining that there’s a big difference between subjectivity and intersubjectivity. One is just a college educated term for the other. More importantly, I think that enough time has passed that we can critique poor old Kant on this matter. When he says the taste has no interest in something what he is really implicitly describing is that taste is the province of rich people. If on…

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IDK, I understood them perfectly well.
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