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South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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Post by otikik »

coredog64 wrote: post #50
epistasis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what you mean by justice. In the US, the law is now merely a tool used to give privileges to the in-group at the cost of the out-group. For the in-group it protects them from harm but never constrains their actions. For the out-group the law never protects them from harm, but constrains them. In the US, federal prosecutions are ordered by the in-group via public social media posts, rather than by professio…

This era we'd like to return to, when did it end?

Gradually. The current unholy mess of money being able to legally buy politicians didn’t happen in one specific day or rule.

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Post by cthalupa »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #89
n1b0m wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the bipartisan House select committee that investigated the incident, the attack was the culmination of a plan by Trump to overturn the election. Within 36 hours, five people died: including a police officer who died of a stroke a day after being assaulted by rioters and collapsing at the Capitol. Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by s…

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If we want to include additional details, perhaps add the ones that explain why she was shot (Violently breaking into an area being secured by capitol police that directly lead to the congresscritters) and not irrelevant ones like her status as a veteran.

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Post by raptor99 »

n1b0m wrote: post #84
peyton wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Innocent until proven guilty.

According to the bipartisan House select committee that investigated the incident, the attack was the culmination of a plan by Trump to overturn the election. Within 36 hours, five people died: including a police officer who died of a stroke a day after being assaulted by rioters and collapsing at the Capitol. Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by s…

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Post by notahacker »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #91
woodruffw wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the thing that puts J6 in the "definitely an insurrection attempt" category is the fact that it happened while Congress was exercising its duty to formalize the electoral college vote. We don't have to reach for statistics about how many were armed or wearing costumes (a fact that seems immaterial in any case); the question is sufficiently answered by what they were attempting to stop.

I’ll reiterate the earlier poster’s question: > What would the next steps be that would end in them overthrowing elected leaders?

Congresspeople either intimidated or emboldened into rejecting some or all of the state electors to annul the actual electoral result and declare Trump the 46th president. We know this was the outcome Donald Trump's wanted because he said so several times.

I assume the individuals that brought zip ties had more specific plans for the elected officials they didn't approve of.

It wasn't a well-planned insurrection but neither was Yong Suk Yeol's

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Post by [deleted] »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #63
Waterluvian wrote: post #30

Also the King stepping aside as the commoners come to for his brother. Lots of recent examples demonstrating that none of these unprecedented moments are untouchable if you actually are a people who believe in the rule of law.

It's not the King, it's the government, really. In any case, one of the reasons, if not the main reason, is that the scandal has unfolded very publicly so that covering it up is not an option as it might have been otherwise or previously.

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Post by codys »

yongjik wrote: post #112
agentifysh wrote: post #71

He'll be pardoned and released by the next election cycle, remember 2 presidents were even sentenced to death at one point. I'm reading the comments here and surprised by the lack of depth of assessing Korea's history of prosecuting its presidents and most of you are just regurgitating what's reported in mainstream news that is echoed by Korean mainstream news which cannot give you a neutral impartial view on the sit…

> Two Korean presidents were sentenced to death and were pardoned in the 90s. The important context is that these two presidents were Chun Doo-hwan and his successor Roh Tae-Woo, who led the military coup of December 12th (1979), seizing power, and then sending paratroopers to murder hundreds of civilians to quash public protest in the uprising of Gwangju (1980). They weren't your garden variety corrupt politicians.…

> Also, the "obvious reason" that American politics sent zero ex-presidents to prison is that Biden chickened out. So, there's that.

Don't forget Ford deciding to protect his political allies (by pardoning Nixon). And George HW Bush doing similar (preventing Iran-Contra scandal investigation by pardoning participants who could have fingered Bush or Reagan)

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Post by wk_end »

mjhay wrote: post #109
jahsome wrote: post #107

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This is such an absolutely wild and demonstrably incorrect interpretation, I can only assume it's satire

I forgot that satire was dead.

Poe’s Law. Personally I thought that might be what you were doing, but I wasn’t sure.

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Post by cthalupa »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #91
woodruffw wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the thing that puts J6 in the "definitely an insurrection attempt" category is the fact that it happened while Congress was exercising its duty to formalize the electoral college vote. We don't have to reach for statistics about how many were armed or wearing costumes (a fact that seems immaterial in any case); the question is sufficiently answered by what they were attempting to stop.

I’ll reiterate the earlier poster’s question: > What would the next steps be that would end in them overthrowing elected leaders?

It was explicitly an attempt to influence Pence or congress to not certify the election results, attempting to allow Trump to use his fake electors to change the results in his favor.

It was a naked attempt to change the outcome of the election. What are you not understanding about this?

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Post by jjtheblunt »

n1b0m wrote: post #82
ericmcer wrote: post #74

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The overreach of executive powers is very concerning, but those are more long term attempts to influence the public and policy makers through shady tactics. The insurrection everyone is referring to is definitely Jan 6th, which it is laughable to compare to an actual insurrection attempt. A few thousand unarmed people waving signs and wearing costumes break into government buildings and take selfies? What would the n…

According to the bipartisan House select committee that investigated the incident, the attack was the culmination of a plan by Trump to overturn the election. Within 36 hours, five people died: including a police officer who died of a stroke a day after being assaulted by rioters and collapsing at the Capitol. Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by s…

> It is the only attempted coup d'état directed towards the Federal government in the history of the United States.

The Civil War in the early 1860s doesn't count because they just wanted to secede?

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Post by raptor99 »

woodruffw wrote: post #80
ericmcer wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overreach of executive powers is very concerning, but those are more long term attempts to influence the public and policy makers through shady tactics. The insurrection everyone is referring to is definitely Jan 6th, which it is laughable to compare to an actual insurrection attempt. A few thousand unarmed people waving signs and wearing costumes break into government buildings and take selfies? What would the n…

I think the thing that puts J6 in the "definitely an insurrection attempt" category is the fact that it happened while Congress was exercising its duty to formalize the electoral college vote. We don't have to reach for statistics about how many were armed or wearing costumes (a fact that seems immaterial in any case); the question is sufficiently answered by what they were attempting to stop.

Wearing costumes establishes costumes and illustrates the joviality of at least a portion of the attendees of the event. It would be odd to say that it is immaterial that you went to a concert or a restaurant or any place really, and lots of people were dressed as Vikings, or as SWAT, etc.
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