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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by drooopy »

barnabee wrote: post #79
gr4vityWall wrote: post #3

Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. For different reasons, of course. Do the M4 and M5 GPUs also change a lot from the M3? I hope it's not too much work to get those going once M3 is usable.

I still haven’t felt much urge to upgrade my 64gb MacBook Pro M1 Max. The biggest issue I have with it is macOS Tahoe. Guess I really should be checking out Asahi on it!

S**, I haven't felt much urge to upgrade from my 16GB M1 Air and I even use it to play some Windows games under Crossover. Quite possibly the best laptop I've ever owned.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by ErneX »

lm28469 wrote: post #23
ForHackernews wrote: post #6

This is incredibly impressive and also quite sad. Six years later, we have a very-nearly-right kernel for the M1. Apple is launching the M5. It seems like the future is going to be a world of closed systems and custom silicon, with any free software lagging far behind.

At least Apple usually supports their hardware for ~7 years so that's plenty of time to get Asahi working on newer Ms. I don't care too much about getting instant support but I definitely care about having the option to use my hardware more than 7 years

Pretty much this.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by ac29 »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #77
swiftcoder wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nothing beats the 2008-2013 Thinkpad keyboards Maybe so, but 15-20 year old laptops are definitely starting to show their age. An M2 MacBook Pro, on the other hand, is only 4 years old, has a fairly OK keyboard, and is still in striking distance of current high-end ultrabooks when it comes to performance.

The only thing my X230 struggles to do is run LLMs locally. My needs are simple, and I think normal people (i.e. probably not most people on this site) don't have needs that are any more demanding than mine. Granted, this is running GNU/Linux rather than Windows. If you're running Windows then yeah, they show their age.

I think an X230 would be performant enough for 95% of the things I do, but a 14 year old CPU is going to have pretty terrible battery life for anything more than very light usage. And things that would be light usage on a recent PC, like watching video encoded with a modern codec, would be fairly taxing on an old CPU with no hardware decode.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by haunter »

joe_mamba wrote: post #114
haunter wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m in Hungary and usually check Facebook Marketplace, Vinted, and another two local sites Here is another one from today, just messeged them. 230€ rose gold one, and that's without any bargaining offer https://files.catbox.moe/exbrfc.jpg

Damn that's lucky. I checked facebook marketplace in Austria and prices are double that of what you're showing, even on Intel macbooks, there's no M1 macs for 200 Euros, only 400 Euros and up. Same on Vinted. No 200 Euro M1s, only at 2x the price. The ones that I saw similarly low to yours are obvious scams from scam profiles all repeating the same message in the ad. So maybe the ones you saw are scams as well. Other…

>So maybe the ones you saw are scams as well

I bought one already so I know it's not a scam. Scams usually communicate badly and they don't want to meet you in a public space (like a McDonald's with free wifi)

Obviously ymmv

>Anyway, I wouldn't spend 400 Euros on a used mac with no warranty.

This I agree with. I still prefer Thinkpads too but these M1s are also pretty good in almost every sense except for repairability

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by jonhohle »

netule wrote: post #105
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years I doubt it. For one, the SSDs have limited lifespans, and are soldered on the mainboard. They'll be fine enough for the planned life of the laptop, but eventually secondary market laptops will start seeing waves of failures, at which point people learn that purchasing one is a gamble. The entire Apple silic…

Exactly, the entire appeal of Thinkpads is their ability to be repaired and upgraded by the end user. MacBooks are designed to be disposable.

It’s really a shame. May last “favorite” MacBook was from 2013 where everything was upgradable. I bought the fastest Core processor with the lowest everything else and upgraded to 16GB of RAM, SSD (granted at SATA speeds) and a second data drive in the optical drive bay. What luxury!

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by gr4vityWall »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #101
gr4vityWall wrote: post #3

Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. For different reasons, of course. Do the M4 and M5 GPUs also change a lot from the M3? I hope it's not too much work to get those going once M3 is usable.

> I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years I doubt it. For one, the SSDs have limited lifespans, and are soldered on the mainboard. They'll be fine enough for the planned life of the laptop, but eventually secondary market laptops will start seeing waves of failures, at which point people learn that purchasing one is a gamble. The entire Apple silic…

I have a 120GB SSD from 2013 that saw typical gaming/workstation usage since it was bought, and it still works fine.

I think repairability is important, but I don't think it will stop those laptops from being popular.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

#129

Post by MarsIronPI »

ac29 wrote: post #123
MarsIronPI wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing my X230 struggles to do is run LLMs locally. My needs are simple, and I think normal people (i.e. probably not most people on this site) don't have needs that are any more demanding than mine. Granted, this is running GNU/Linux rather than Windows. If you're running Windows then yeah, they show their age.

I think an X230 would be performant enough for 95% of the things I do, but a 14 year old CPU is going to have pretty terrible battery life for anything more than very light usage. And things that would be light usage on a recent PC, like watching video encoded with a modern codec, would be fairly taxing on an old CPU with no hardware decode.

True. By the time I upgraded from my X200 (fantastic machine, noticeably outdated), the lack of software support for hardware decoding H264 was noticeable. Also being stuck with OpenGL 2.1 isn't the best either.

I don't know what I'll do if and when my X230 stops being sufficient. If I could buy an Apple motherboard in an X200 chassis I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by e12e »

Lerc wrote: post #126

If one were to grab a second hand (is there much of an ex-lease market?) mac. What is the sweet spot for performance,battery life, and Asahi support?

The main thing that held me back from using Asahi on my M2 MacBook air - was missing external display. If I read TFA correctly - that should now work with a custom kernel.

If that's true - I'd say MacBook air M2 is probably the new sweetspot - depending on how cheap you could get an M1.

My impression is that until now, MacBook air M1 was the sweetspot.

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