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You can't trust the internet anymore

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Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by bigfatkitten »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #52
cortesoft wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like solving the problem at the wrong layer? The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. You could easily create your own forum or something and only include people you trust. You don’t need an entirely separate internet.

Even if it was a "network connection" issue creating an overlay network on top of the Internet (with VPN tunnels and mesh routing, for example) would yield wildly better bandwidth and latency characteristics. You can still make that overlay network geofenced and vetted. Heck, running it over a local ISP's last mile would probably yield wonderful latency. We need vetted webrings on the existing Internet, not a new Int…

But it’s a whole lot less fun and educational than building your own infrastructure. Sometimes the journey is more important than the destination.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by plastic-enjoyer »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #52
cortesoft wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like solving the problem at the wrong layer? The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. You could easily create your own forum or something and only include people you trust. You don’t need an entirely separate internet.

Even if it was a "network connection" issue creating an overlay network on top of the Internet (with VPN tunnels and mesh routing, for example) would yield wildly better bandwidth and latency characteristics. You can still make that overlay network geofenced and vetted. Heck, running it over a local ISP's last mile would probably yield wonderful latency. We need vetted webrings on the existing Internet, not a new Int…

> We need vetted webrings on the existing Internet, not a new Internet.

How do you think will this work, when LLM accelerates the breakdown of trust and common epistemics?

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by 1over137 »

noosphr wrote: post #66
cortesoft wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like solving the problem at the wrong layer? The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. You could easily create your own forum or something and only include people you trust. You don’t need an entirely separate internet.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

Could you just geoblock the USA? Is most/all AI agent scraping from there?

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by kyleee »

1over137 wrote: post #125
noosphr wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

Could you just geoblock the USA? Is most/all AI agent scraping from there?

No

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

There's a lot of people unhappy about this here. Presuming that the sentiment extends beyond HN, then it might be a problem that you could make some money by solving. (In the same way that Google figured out how to let the net tell it which pages were best, and made an insane amount of money from doing so.)

People want something real, not AI slop or shills or astroturf or corpo-speak or any of a thousand other flavors of fake. People want it rather desperately. In fact, the current situation is bad for peoples' mental health. Can someone figure out how to give people a much higher percentage of real?

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by mycall »

noosphr wrote: post #66
cortesoft wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like solving the problem at the wrong layer? The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. You could easily create your own forum or something and only include people you trust. You don’t need an entirely separate internet.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

Make it private invite only behind Cloudflare

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by mycall »

lowtidebridge wrote: post #95
noosphr wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The issue isn’t the actual network connection between people, it is the content. Everyone serving a website is being ddos by AI agents right now. A local mesh network is one way to make sure that no one with a terabit network can index you.

You could set up two way TLS with client certificates

That isn't good enough and could be DDoS'd as well.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Post by mycall »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #24
WD-42 wrote: post #16

This is why my friends and I are setting up a mesh network in our town. The open internet has been going downhill for a while, but LLMs are absolutely accelerating it's demise. I was in denial for the last few years but at this point I've accepted that the internet I grew up on as a kid in the late 90s to mid 2000s is dead. I am grateful for having experienced it but the time has come to move on. The future for peopl…

I "got online" in 1985. I don't recall a single point in time that a geographically local internet was ever useful or of interest to me.

You never went to a LAN party then
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