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Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Free speech absolutely does not mean free from consequences speech.

I don't think you realize it, but your retort could be easily applied to the story in the OP just as easily as it could be applied to cancel culture. The point isn't whether either side is "right" or not, but that both side's positions shouldn't be distilled down to 1 liner dunks like the original commenter was engaging in.

The difference is “cancel culture” is not official policy of the state.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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They know what they are doing. To survive as a large entity during this administration you have to kiss the ring. If you don't, you'll get targeted for being 'woke' or whatever. In fact, kissing Trump's ass is more important for success than actually making a good product at this point. I definitely don't think what these CEOs are doing is moral, but it's certainly rational.

This is unacceptable behavior, and terrible that anyone would think this way. You're telling me that if Tim Cook wasn't getting on his knees every couple of weeks Apple would end? That's farcical.

You should watch this video: https://youtu.be/RPzcGeiNYvk

And it IS farcical! I mean, look at the FIFA “peace prize.” They literally invented it to give to Trump because he was threatening US World Cup matches. What’s farcical is that this behavior actually apparently works on the president.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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As an anecdote, a few days ago Kagi's Research (Experimental) model had no problem generating critical images of Trump and Vance. But yesterday it expressly refused to generate the likeness of Pam Bondi.

(This is surely the underlying component models' censuring, not Kagi's.)

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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As an American, I can freely oppose the current regime. I routinely say, both online and in real life under my government name, that Donald Trump and his cronies are criminals, that everyone should work hard to stop them from achieving their goals and ideally they should all get life sentences once we throw them out of office. I’ll never face legal or even professional consequences for saying this, and even within th…

Buddy what article do you think you are currently commenting on?

I'm commenting on an article about an American advocacy group filing a lawsuit accusing high-ranking government officials of misconduct, another thing that similarly situated people in China cannot do. Again, happy to admit the possibility I could be wrong: are there cases I don't know about where Chinese citizens file lawsuits accusing the Ministry of State Security of misconduct?

The content of the lawsuit argues, correctly in my view, that American speech protections are so strong they go beyond mere criticism. American citizens have a right to publish detailed information about the location of government agents, even if this information makes law enforcement harder and even if the agents fear being tracked might be dangerous for them.

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The British Government believes it to be secure. That’s why they were asking for a back door.

That only means that the UK government doesn’t have access to the backdoor.

It’s possible that the back door already exists, and they already have it. So if they had conducted unlawful surveillance using these methods, then they may have to come up with some plausible explanation as to how they got that information legally. You could imagine a scenario where there is no plausible explanation for how the information could have been legally obtained. If they codify the use of the back door into law, then there is no need for all this theater.

One of my favorite conspiracy theories is that this is what the CIA Stargate program was. You don’t leak the existence of informants or satellites because you just got the information from “a psychic“.

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The British Government believes it to be secure. That’s why they were asking for a back door.

That only means that the UK government doesn’t have access to the backdoor.

Exactly they built one for the Chinese government. It's not if they have a back door it's who gets to use it

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No, the matter of fact is that Apple would survive no matter what. But would they (the people involved, not the company, Cook & other executives) make as much money if they went against the administration compared to how much they could make while playing along? Also no, and is why you're seeing people bowing down, they personally make much more money then.

Survive was probably too strong a word. But I stand by my point that, right now, business success is closely tied to how much Trump likes you.

> business success is closely tied to how much Trump likes you

And I'd still make the same point I've done so many times before; sometimes maybe there are more important things than "business makes much money so I make much money".

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The bar in the US right now seems to be if someone with any authority feels like killing you.

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> nobody has been killed that wasn’t carrying a gun with extra ammo or striking cops with their vehicle.

The video evidence shows beyond peradventure that Renee Good didn't strike the ICE agent — who isn't a cop — with her vehicle.

EDIT: See the NY Times's frame-by-frame, time-synchronized compilation of the various videos [0], especially starting at about 3:42 in that video [1].

The agent wasn't hit by Good's vehicle - starting at 4:53 of the video [2], he was standing well away from her vehicle (see 5:42 [3]), leaning on it with his hand on the front fender, and his feet slipped as she was trying to pull away.

He wasn't hit or run over — at most he was slightly pushed by the vehicle. His reaction — "fucking bitch" [4].

As to Alex Pretti: You're focusing like a laser on a fact — if such it be — that's completely irrelevant.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9R9dAmws6M And yes, I firmly believe the NY Times tries to get it right, and corrects their errors on the rare occasions that they make them.

[1] https://youtu.be/D9R9dAmws6M?si=hqGlX9J0Iwpveqwu&t=222

[2] https://youtu.be/D9R9dAmws6M?si=UKhDNxdXaCFhvdr0&t=293

[3] https://youtu.be/D9R9dAmws6M?si=7WNCsHcPm7b6ycJ-&t=334

[4] https://youtu.be/D9R9dAmws6M?si=RiHOgMrJGxgqmq_8&t=389

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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No one's murdering innocent citizens on the streets of China

No the murders happen in camps eg. What's happening to the Uyghurs. That said, they also use them as slave labors. Maybe that's what ICE is going to do with the plan to setup large detention centers in the US

While it's correct to criticize China's authoritarian policies and lack of civic and religious freedoms that are often taken for granted here, it's still very much a pot-calling-the-kettle-black situation. The US's treatment, both historical and modern, of it's black, native, and immigrant populations have been just as or even more brutal than China's crackdown on Islamism. Mass incarceration and criminalization of the poorest sections of society in the US are at levels far beyond what exists in any other country in the world. Political corruption and nepotism have been normalized for decades, and the deep-seated culture of elite impunity is apparent in the total lack of consequences from the Epstein files. US citizens should not be wasting time criticizing other countries for problems our own country has yet to fix.

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I wonder how much the tech bros are going to regret having bent over for Trump in 2028 when a Democrat is sitting in the Whitehouse looking at rolling out some retribution using the new legal tools the Trump team succeeded in securing during his second term. We might see some heavy regulation descending onto the industry as a response. On the other hand, the long term trend of billionaires and large companies getting…

If it's a Democrat like Gavin "I will protect the wealthy" Newsom I don't think they'll have any regrets at all.
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