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IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by another_twist »

edoceo wrote: post #91
slopinthebag wrote: post #76

You know when someone is singing the praises about AI and they get asked "if you're so much more productive with AI, what have you built with it"? Well I think a bunch of companies are asking this same question to their employees and realising that the productivity gains they are betting on were overhyped. LLM's can be a very useful tool and will probably lead to measurable productivity increases in the future, at th…

> measurable productivity Which measure? Like when folk say something is more "efficient" it's more time-efficient to fly but one trades other efficiency. Efficiency, like productivity needs a second word with it to properly communicate. Whtys more productive? Lines of code (a weak measure). Features shipped? Bugs fixed? Time by company saved? Time for client? Shareholders value (lame). I don't know the answer but th…

Number of features shipped. Traction metrics. Revenue per product. Ultimately business metrics. For example, tax prep effectiveness would be a proper experiment tied to specific metrics.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by xp84 »

slopinthebag wrote: post #98
echelon wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. They're firing high paid seniors and replacing them with low pay juniors. This is IBM we're talking about. The "limits of AI" bit is just smokescreen. Firing seniors: > Just a week after his comments, however, IBM announced it would cut thousands of workers by the end of the year as it shifts focus to high-growth software and AI areas. A company spokesperson told Fortune at the time that the round of layoffs woul…

Where does it say those cuts were senior software developers? Obviously they want new workers to use AI but I don't really see anything to suggest they're so successful with AI that they're firing all their seniors and hiring juniors to be meatbags for LLMs.

This just doesn't make any sense. Juniors + AI just does not equal seniors, except for prototyping greenfield projects. Who knows about 2 months from now, it moves fast and stuff, but not right now.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by holtkam2 »

ChadMoran wrote: post #94
slopinthebag wrote: post #76

You know when someone is singing the praises about AI and they get asked "if you're so much more productive with AI, what have you built with it"? Well I think a bunch of companies are asking this same question to their employees and realising that the productivity gains they are betting on were overhyped. LLM's can be a very useful tool and will probably lead to measurable productivity increases in the future, at th…

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Has anyone noticed Amazon or AWS shipping features faster than their pre-GenAI baseline? I haven't

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by fd-codier »

ChadMoran wrote: post #94
slopinthebag wrote: post #76

You know when someone is singing the praises about AI and they get asked "if you're so much more productive with AI, what have you built with it"? Well I think a bunch of companies are asking this same question to their employees and realising that the productivity gains they are betting on were overhyped. LLM's can be a very useful tool and will probably lead to measurable productivity increases in the future, at th…

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Everytime someone say something like that there is no link to the product. Maybe because it doesn't exist ?

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by lazide »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #119
lazide wrote: post #67

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Huh?

People seem to think LLMs killing the cs career means companies will still pay senior salaries to shepherd agentic LLM style development. I think it is the senior that is the dinosaur here. As we speak cs curriculums are changing to teach people to cruch along with ai. The next batch of juniors will be taking these jobs. There won’t be seniors anymore at least at the salaries we’ve come to assume with that. The skill…

Bwahahahahahaha

There is no framework, just confusing junk. At some point, it needs to actually work and….

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by xp84 »

ohyoutravel wrote: post #111
fragmede wrote: post #109

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OTOH, as a junior, you haven't learned all the wrong lessons that don't apply anymore, and you have fewer responsibilities than the seniors.

Like what

Some things take very little time and effort to manifest into the world today that used to take a great deal. So one of the big changes is around whether some things are worth doing at all.

Note: I'm not taking any particular side of the "Juniors are F**d" vs "no they're not" argument.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by coffeefirst »

ChadMoran wrote: post #94
slopinthebag wrote: post #76

You know when someone is singing the praises about AI and they get asked "if you're so much more productive with AI, what have you built with it"? Well I think a bunch of companies are asking this same question to their employees and realising that the productivity gains they are betting on were overhyped. LLM's can be a very useful tool and will probably lead to measurable productivity increases in the future, at th…

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Cool! Can we see it?

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by mlyle »

SomaticPirate wrote: post #120
ChadMoran wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Every hype AI post is like this. “I’m making $$$ with these tools and you’re ngmi” I completely understand the joys of a few good months but this is the same as the people working two fang jobs at the start of Covid. Illusionary and not sustainable.

I built and debugged an embedded stub loader for Rp2350 to program MRAM and validate hardware status for a satellite. About 2.5 hours of my time, a lot of it while supervising students/doing other things.

This would have been a couple day+ unpleasant task before; possibly more. I had been putting it off because scouring datasheets and register maps and startup behavior is not fun.

It didn’t know how to troubleshoot the startup successfully itself, though. I had to advise it on a debugging strategy with sentinel values to bisect. But then once explained it fixed the defects and succeeded.

LLMs struggle in large codebases and the benefit is much smaller now. But that capability is growing fast, and not everything software developers do is large.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Post by SoftTalker »

belter wrote: post #113
edoceo wrote: post #91

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> measurable productivity Which measure? Like when folk say something is more "efficient" it's more time-efficient to fly but one trades other efficiency. Efficiency, like productivity needs a second word with it to properly communicate. Whtys more productive? Lines of code (a weak measure). Features shipped? Bugs fixed? Time by company saved? Time for client? Shareholders value (lame). I don't know the answer but th…

I used to write bugs in 8 hours. Now I write the same bugs in 4. My Productivity doubled. \s

Even better, I write more bugs in 4 hours than I used to in 8.
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