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Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by fromMars »

anechouapechou wrote: post #113
fromMars wrote: post #85

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Nice spin on what I said. Never "defended" Epstein or claimed what he did was legal, rape, sex trafficking...

Nor did I defend "old farts fucking teenagers".

What I did do was point out that this behavior seems to be viewed differently when the participant is a Jewish man than when he is French or Anglo.

> By the way, if you're trying to truly combat antisemitism, it would be wise of you to avoid mentioning that you are jewish and defend old farts fucking teenagers in the same comment.

Between this and your comments that you believe Epstein was eating children, it's hard for me to take your advice as being in good faith.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

protocolture wrote: post #75
an0malous wrote: post #71

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> How do you get from that to an arrest or conviction? You do an investigation > Do you know it hasn't already been followed up on? Yes because that would be a part of these files. It’s not disputed that at minimum any leads, including victim testimonies, were not followed up.

>It’s not disputed that at minimum any leads, including victim testimonies, were not followed up. I would love a source that discusses this.

Watch the Pam Bondi video this week where she is getting grilled about the Epstein files, and her rebuttal is that we should thank Trump for the Dow Jones being over 50,000. Watch the interaction with the Epstein survivors in the room.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by rpdillon »

protocolture wrote: post #60
gowthamgts12 wrote: post #24

How low we have become to do nothing about it? No arrests no convictions?

What do you mean? I understand the reporting is like "LOOK AT ALL THESE CRIMES" but the files themselves are stuff like "Tee hee I know some girls for you". How do you get from that to an arrest or conviction? If you unredacted that person, identified them and called them would they tell you that the girls were all 18 or older? Or would they incriminate themselves? Do you know it hasn't already been followed up on? I…

Just some examples. If you watch the hearings from two days ago, you'll see that DOJ refuses to interview or speak to the victims to gather more info, and ignored a report from DJT's limo driver that he spoke with a (now deceased) victim that was murdered (head blown off, cops said it couldn't be suicide). That report asserts that DJT and JEE raped her, but they never even spoke to him or followed up.

There is a clear pattern of inaction, going back several administrations.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by orwin »

fromMars wrote: post #117
orwin wrote: post #104

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In my European country, the age of consent it 15 (or 13?), but it is also in the law that if the adult have a hierarchical/coercive power on the minor (parent, teacher, public servant, host/landlord, boss, probably other), the consent is automatically removed and this is pedophilia. It is the same in Spain, and I'd bet in Portugal. The age of consent being this low is to avoid prosecuting 15-20 yo having sex with eac…

> The age of consent being this low is to avoid prosecuting 15-20 yo having sex with each other. Not for gross old men to coerce minors into having sex with them. I don't buy this argument. That is addressed by age gap laws which some countries have or in the U.S. where there age of consent is different if one of the parties is over 18 and 21. You can't honestly be claiming that these type of relationships don't occu…

I'm not. I'm claiming that if, as a teacher, employer, parent, or anybody the justice system recognize have power over a minor, you have a relationship with him or her, the consent is waived, even if they gave you explicit consent. That's all.

So as long as any victims is a minor, even if the victim is 17 and gave explicit consent, if the predator have provable power over her, the consent is waived and it is a pedophilic sexual assault

Exchanging a home for sexual favours to a minor in France is considered pedophilia, you can find articles about a recent case.

Sorry I am repeating myself but I want to be sure you understood my main point and engage with it rather than with a straw man.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by RajT88 »

fromMars wrote: post #88
dash2 wrote: post #10

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This, and also a lot of antisemitism seems to have been enabled.

Not shocking that this is downvoted around here. On X and the amount of anti-semitic content this is fueling is scary. As a Jewish person, I can't help feel that the magnitude of the outrage is because Epstein and quite a few of his associates were rich Jews. Not to downplay what they did as it was horrible, but I don't recall similar levels of outrage about all the scandals in the Catholic Church. Epstein isn't the…

I am not Jewish, and must be lucky to hang out in the parts of the internet where I haven't seen it. (Except for Breitbart comments - I pop in there when I want to know the subtext of what right wing politicians are saying. There's plenty of anti-semitism there.)

> Every big city in the world has it and it is even legal in some countries, not to mention that Pedophilia as the term is being used in the Epstein case is basically legal in most European countries with the age of consent at 15 and even 14 in some cases.

I have no interest in dying on this hill, but there's 3 different technical terms which describe distinct kinds of attraction people have to children in relation to puberty, and that term does not describe 14-15 year olds. For whatever that is worth, with regards to the legality in parts of Europe indeed age of consent can vary widely across nations, and even states within nations. But let's be clear - what Epstein did was illegal even if it was done to adults. That's human trafficking.

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Post by anechouapechou »

fromMars wrote: post #121
anechouapechou wrote: post #113

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Nice spin on what I said. Never "defended" Epstein or claimed what he did was legal, rape, sex trafficking... Nor did I defend "old farts fucking teenagers". What I did do was point out that this behavior seems to be viewed differently when the participant is a Jewish man than when he is French or Anglo. > By the way, if you're trying to truly combat antisemitism, it would be wise of you to avoid mentioning that you…

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Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by RajT88 »

jrflowers wrote: post #53
RajT88 wrote: post #8

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The amount of breathless conclusion jumping from citizen journalists has been completely bananas as well. I had to tell a friend of mine to take a break from it. The level of tinfoil hat theories (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth off of which to build more theories is really something. The unfortunate thing is - in our current environment, the crazy speculation and knowingly dealing in j…

> (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth I haven’t seen any indication of “people that didn’t previously believe in cannibal elites now believe in cannibal elites after reading the emails” being a phenomenon that actually exists. I’ve yet to interact with anyone that has seriously said “I didn’t believe they ate babies on Tuesday but it is Thursday and now I believe they were eating babies.”…

If it helps explain where my comment was coming from, my friend I advised to take a break from the files was neck deep in every single new speculation because he himself was a survivor of CSA. He sent me a lot of stuff and was on the "believing in cannibal pedophiles" track for sure, and by the videos I was sent, lots of other people are on that track too.

It was especially bad for his mental health, all of these new speculative theories.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by fromMars »

RajT88 wrote: post #125
fromMars wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not shocking that this is downvoted around here. On X and the amount of anti-semitic content this is fueling is scary. As a Jewish person, I can't help feel that the magnitude of the outrage is because Epstein and quite a few of his associates were rich Jews. Not to downplay what they did as it was horrible, but I don't recall similar levels of outrage about all the scandals in the Catholic Church. Epstein isn't the…

I am not Jewish, and must be lucky to hang out in the parts of the internet where I haven't seen it. (Except for Breitbart comments - I pop in there when I want to know the subtext of what right wing politicians are saying. There's plenty of anti-semitism there.) > Every big city in the world has it and it is even legal in some countries, not to mention that Pedophilia as the term is being used in the Epstein case is…

I am not trying to rehabilitate Epstein. He was a vile and disgusting sex trafficker, rapist, pedophile, whatever you want to call him. I am all for going after anyone else who can be proven to be involved.

He is also dead. I just don't think there was anything particularly exceptional/unique about him as a story other than his wealth as human trafficking is a global problem.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by krapp »

fromMars wrote: post #128
RajT88 wrote: post #125

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I am not Jewish, and must be lucky to hang out in the parts of the internet where I haven't seen it. (Except for Breitbart comments - I pop in there when I want to know the subtext of what right wing politicians are saying. There's plenty of anti-semitism there.) > Every big city in the world has it and it is even legal in some countries, not to mention that Pedophilia as the term is being used in the Epstein case is…

I am not trying to rehabilitate Epstein. He was a vile and disgusting sex trafficker, rapist, pedophile, whatever you want to call him. I am all for going after anyone else who can be proven to be involved. He is also dead. I just don't think there was anything particularly exceptional/unique about him as a story other than his wealth as human trafficking is a global problem.

You aren't taking into account all of the effort the Republicans spent ginning up conspiracy theories about Satanic pedophile cults within the Democratic Party and how Trump's base made that and "releasing the Epstein files" their entire identity, or the absolute clownshow debacle of the Trump administration trying to stall, prevaricate and memory-hole the entire thing after it became clear how implicated Trump himself was.

Also the number of celebrities and powerful people (including the sitting President) involved makes it a bigger story.

That said, yes the antisemites have come out in force around this, just as they did around Palestinian activism, and just as they always do. But I think most people's outrage is focused on systems of privilege and power and on the Trump administration in particular, not anything about "the Jews."

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Post by polotics »

polotics wrote: post #105
RajT88 wrote: post #8

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The amount of breathless conclusion jumping from citizen journalists has been completely bananas as well. I had to tell a friend of mine to take a break from it. The level of tinfoil hat theories (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth off of which to build more theories is really something. The unfortunate thing is - in our current environment, the crazy speculation and knowingly dealing in j…

Yes, and... the 330 gallons of sulphuric acid did come as a surprise to me. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15545409/330-gallon... Half of the files were released, and instead of the congress mandated removal of victim names, perpetrators were blanked out.

Also btw just in case: This volume could provide approximately 2,600 to 3,500 individual pH adjustments for a 15,000-gallon pool. The main pool-house on the island has about 20'000 gallons of certainly-clean water in it, as far as I can reckon. The hypothesis for the other option: a complete acid wash of the pools, implies approximately 22 to 33 average-sized residential pools were to be washed that day, a dangerous process requiring a professional staff, that stuff is nasty. You do not want to scrub your pool every day, week, or month, you will need to redo the whole surfacing soon enough after a few scrubs. You also do not want that super dangerous liquid in large quantities around to save on bulk-purchase costs, storage and safety make this a no go as far as cost-savings are concerned. No trace of contracts with pro pool cleaners coming for a scrub in the files, but I did not look hard. This is a cop's job. The theory that Sulphuric acid would have been used for cocaine production also does not pass muster: you would need to have a large quantity of raw leafs on ships inbound to the island for that volume, and some serious breaking-bad type setup there. This kind of dangerous activity is best done far away from billionaires enjoying the final product. Good luck asking your friendly SOTA LLM any questions of the form: "how many gallons of sulphuric acid to fully dissolve 40 kg of organic matter?"

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